Gays For Jesus
Lately I see some very vague talking about TBN will shut down if you don't get enough money???? I have listened for a few days and still have no idea why? Who is this feared opponent that Paul keeps referring to?
What's going on??
(concerning this week's plea for money to stay on the air or not)
To: Bbmiller@tbn.org (TBN's web master's e-mail)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:56:04
Subject: What's going on?? (concerning this week's plea for money to stay on the air or not)
Prophesy about the Church towards the end
Hi and God Bless you . . .
Lately I see some very vague talking about TBN will shut down if you don't get enough money???? I have listened for a few days and still have no idea why? Who is this feared opponent that Paul keeps referring to? Where did this awful debt come from? I always heard TBN kept good books and paid for most everything quite quickly. Why is it necessary to be so vague as though there is something to hide? I doubt that it would hurt legal outcome, this certainly can't be anything criminal. So why the secrecy? Why would I want to help TBN if I have no idea what's going on? I have followed (viewed) TBN for 23 years. I have seen PTL fail and Pat Robertson cut back to nothing and now TBN???? It seems like all the blame is being laid on this mysterious "opponent" Paul keeps mentioning without name. Just maybe there are Christians out there that can do something correct and legal to these or this opponent that will make them flee. You know some Christians need only speak one word and the enemy will flee. Can Paul accept any blame here? Is there groups that he allows TBN to condemn freely? Jesus is about to answer prayers from Saints that have been persecuted by the Church these past 2000 years. Part of Jesus' long suffering is waiting for a date when the censor is thrown down. Jesus' emotions are behind this throwing down of this prophesied censor. He has heard these prayers of the innocent and is very emotional about their suffering at the hands of the Church. TBN has redirected a lot of its ministry from the start. In 1980 it began more openly attacking gays with Oral Roberts speaking horrendously against gays in the January convention broadcasted by TBN. This period also brought the "look" of riches to the studio's settings of "Praise The Lord". In more recent times TBN began TMC and officially began what I call party time at TBN. Not trying to be rude here it wasn't really funny when Paul kind of joking mentioned his son's corvette. People come by rich things sometimes, but sorry, it doesn't empress the poor and needy.
I would never suggest that TBN's troubles are for lack of faith and goodwill towards all, but as in all ministries time takes a toll and the original call is long lost in the higherarchy's demands and new people giving advise outside of that call. It is however fact that TBN does not minister to important concerns when much of the programming condemns gays. Like I said I have been watching for 23 years and it doesn't take long to sometimes just a few minutes to hear gays condemned. I have gotten a large number of replies to my letters from many program hosts. None have offered consideration of facts concerning the word of God and gays. My own TV program in its 13th years where I talk about these things. I am trying to build an Internet site, it already has information and many links to other resources and can be found by searching fore "Gays For Jesus". I have heard the testimonies of so called delivered gays on TBN and they just about have nothing to do with real life gays just as the attempt at condemning gays with the Word of God by using some verses saying it say gay is sin. The Hebrew scholars like Roy Blizzard wrote he has no time for discussing the issue and said its just sin referring me to Kenneth Copeland who returned a letter not going into one scripture but using mostly secular therapy methods to say how to get delivered. Paul told me that they don't condemn gays, but I got a letter from Jan saying the opposite. Why can't TBN with all it experience and sources be able to resolve the truth concerning gays. Most anti-gay material is only 700 years old and that just about covers the 12-13 verses to condemn gays. It should be easy for Paul to ask one of TBN's Hebrew and Greek scholars to really research the matter including material that is showing a positive note. There are plenty of well educated scholars that have researched the gay issue and find the opposite of what TBN's programming is teaching. Why is it so hard to investigate Christians that are gay and Christian churches that are attended by mostly gay and straight supporting Christians? MCC and Dignity our well established groups and have a wealth of Christian scholars. Why is TBN so afraid of visiting them? Why can't TBN check out PFLAG mainly a resource for straight Christians finding family and friends are gay and can't accept the main Churches rejection of their loved ones. Probably every denomination has gay groups meeting. Some at the Church's blessings and some aren't. I personally have reported to me a number of Assemblies of God pastors marrying gays behind closed doors. 600 million gays in the world and what does TBN do about it. I can show you many letters and now recently much e-mail from AOG pastors across the country. Does TBN investigate reports from ex-gay groups? I hear like most churches they just send people to what ever local ex-gay group is nearby even if its vastly different in faith. TBN is very familiar with Melodyland the birth place of Exodus International. Does TBN investigate Exodus? The founders are lovers now and preaching they are very sorry for the years they presided over Exodus. I just talked with Steve Black of Exodus who generally had no idea about Exodus history and thought I was crazy and had bad sources. I wrote back telling him my source was from the horses mouth. I had exact dates it was founded and how it came to be founded. I have the ages and schooling and other history of the founders as well as material from other sources like Evangelicals Concerned a well established gay Christian group which is on the web too. Why can't TBN check out Sylvia Pennington's books. She is was an AOG straight woman who work in San Francisco's ex-gay church which she left for a year finding it difficult to tell gays things that she found more and more wrong with the ex-gay movement. She returned finding none of the 100 ex-gay in that church when she left were there. She new them so well she had kept their addresses and looked them all up. They had found that Jesus was not asking them to change and be straight and most were better Christians for it. This began a 25 year ministry and study where she wrote a few books. I personally knew her as well and had her as guest on my program. When I go to church in Seattle I am given the evil eye from the pastors of certain members of the church. Several Seattle pastors I have directly receive unGod like behaviors such as mostly AOGs, having boys call me just to talk, the boys told me who the pastor was who conveniently took a vacation that week and later never answered my follow up on this. Another pastor looked to violently toss me out of his church until I with the Holy Spirit drew him and the Ex-gay leader there into my loving arms and spoke in tongues then he was instantly delivered of this violent overtaking of his body. Casey Treat talked to me for hours denying he was Casey, but gave testimony that he generally was a pawn of some big business men who got him of the street life. he would only admit that he work at that church. Another AOG Larry Bentz "pastor" told me if I so much as blinked he'd call the police. I asked to go to the alter he said he does not need to go to God on this matter, though later he refused a 15 year boy with aids living in a cemetery that came to his church for help and instead gave that my phone number. Other games was Casey Treat's church referred a singer to Larry Bentz's office who gave him my number. These are only bits of the story of each event and there are many more. Why does the Church respond evilly towards gays? Why did a lesbian friend of mine have to be treated by AOG women when she went for prayer at the alter so violently trying to cast out demons. 17 women surrounded her and such fear of that made this lesbian never want to go to church again. God sent her a Spirit filled lover soon after. MMC pastor visiting a AOG in the south was tricked to the alter where the same version by men took place. If demons were present them demons have no choice they must leave. Tell me why TBN can't find enough info on why these mass casting out sessions by otherwise your wonderful AOG church? TBN just does not want to look into the matters of its program hosts. Technically when I was researching FCC rules a station must provide time for certain programming that is not otherwise covered, to sum it up legally it might be that TBN is suppose to allow time for a rebuttal or something that speaks to the issues so flagrantly raised by TBN with no adequate means to respond to such. I know that would be very hard to enforce, but at least for most of TBN's life there was no means available to respond, now in some cities public access. I remember Doug Clark's "Amazing Prophesies" I got saved at one. I see he is long gone now and I guess because he went crazy with his food and the "witch that switched" He sure became anti-gay towards the end. Anyway I went to a meeting in Bellevue once and tape about 1 minute or less just to get a personal clip for a program. He was often on TBN Praise The Lord and I turned on one night and he started talking about me and told everyone listening that I was going to swamp him with my cameras and crew. Me with my one old camera and having no other interest in him than to point out how people condemn gays without any concern for truth. After all "the witch that switched" a bisexual lesbian? No such thing. A prostitute by age 3 and a pimp by age 7 come on is this why gay is sin. She also murdered her baby and knew congressmen by name doing the same. WOW she is saved with no jail time and not reporting murderers? An exaggerated example most that condemn gays don't bring in such people. Why does Mario Murillo have to condemn gays so often? Seems like he can't speak 5 minutes without condemning. I am over exaggerating, but not by much. Tell me why it is so scary for TBN that has no conscious concerning anti-gay preaching on TBN airwaves to do some real battles on this issue. Hey, want to have all TBN lay hands on me casting out demons or is this for the newly born again Christian that happens to tell their pastor they have gay feelings or if you can catch an unsuspecting weak or otherwise not rooted in Christian that is gay so you can sneak up and swamp him with rebuking the devil god of the Masons. Why do I say "god of the Mason's"? I guess there is a reason, huh? Anyway, Why can't TBN with all its might, though its shaking this last week, who can get just about who ever it wants to interview, each host I guess brings in their own to interview, then why not decide to deal with gays? You know every word that comes over TBN is against gays, once I saw a town meeting type program that had both side presented, but though the love and truth did glen trough, mostly the anti-gay side was allowed to prevail. Town meetings though show where the true love is and present interesting info it is not getting hold of GOD is it. Preaching against gays is also not getting hold of GOD on the issue, it is just what the preach believes is what the Bible says. That preacher may have prayed up a storm, but still it is subject to the preachers spirit and belief in the material he read about gays. Sometimes, some programs shows demons rebuked and coming out, but not from gays, just your regular common demons. TBN gives great honor to some of its hosts. I do not sit here and try to put them down, but I do challenge all of them to invite me to their church or on TBN to get a hold of God in real Spiritual warfare. I am willing to take every kind of operation of Spiritual gifts over me and that of getting hold of God to manifest a visitation that is seen and felt. TBN loves to call on Jesus and is at it again this week but when it comes to gays TBN is happy to state "gay is sin" and that's all the proof needed. I have never seen TBN at any time ask those they condemn to give account of their faith in Jesus Christ. I love Jesus, he has never forsaken me, I have a 23 year plus testimony that is in the past tense and can not be undone, I have a present tense testimony that is actually happening that no anti-gay preach can stop or change. I have many promises from God for the future. Christians from many places around the country famous and TBN related and not so well know prophesied over me of thing that have taken place already and many more that will. Tell me, when does TBN decide a prophet becomes false? When the recipient is gay? I spend much time on Christian chat and have sent many sessions to TBN's email to show how Christians treat gays. Just about all anti-gay believing Christian never start or ever ask about my testimony. They just right away say Rom 1:26-27 or 1 Cor 1:9. They don't care about Rom. 18-32 just 26-27 why? You are a Christian aren't you tell me why? So much detail is given describing the persons of the context that there should be no question that it is in no way talking about gays. Gays ever since just don't and never behave as Rom. describes. 6:9 is a verse that has quite a history so why does so many Christians persist to believe it is talking about gays. Should I write 15 pages to you explaining verse by verse in all it history and translations and dictionaries? TBN base gay doctrine is from a 700 year old anti-gay Church Doctrine the Protestants accepted this doctrine about 200 years later. How do I know, I know by the way you should have known. If the Church condemns so many to hell then aren't they worth some research? How can you accept TBN doctrine ( though you may say TBN has no such doctrine) against gays without in your heart a feeling that why should so many die without hope in GOD? Its easy to say there is hope you just have to get saved and ask Jesus to help. Sound really good huh? Facts is what the Church is supposed to seek and truth not fiction. They lied about Jesus with many accusations, so why should the Church accuse gays? Were you there when Jesus came into my life? Actually TBN was! A transsexual friend was witnessing to me and invited me to go to a Doug Clark rally as she was recently saved. I remember my 1st miracle so well. After reading the book of John the handout from Doug Clark, I wanted more. I was broke having $4.58 to my name including the bank. I ask God in Jesus name that this be enough to get a Bible. I knew nothing about where or how to find one and prayed I know K-Mart had a book section. I went there and found a Bible after taxes to be $4.57. Jesus never left me. I have met Christians that were straight that accepted me as is and never had problems with any in the Church as long as I was in the closet and they didn't know I was gay that often said they saw God in me. Pastors confided in me. I once led a pastor's son to Christ in a gay bar, his dad was so happy he invited me into his special prayer and worship weekly meetings with other pastors and ministers in the line of AOG and off shoots. They welcomed me with open arms because I led the son to Christ. For months I attended their home meetings. They laid hands and prophesied over me many times almost every one of them by the time I moved on all knowing I am gay. This happened at the most depressing time of my life I was in such pain and hurt (God sent some one first to explain I was going to have a lesson in fear and was I willing, I said yes knowing that means it won't be fun, within a week my life fell apart to the point someone with the power here in the USA told me I would be sent to prison if I preached Jesus as the Christ. I could they said preach him a good teacher) I was nearly at the end of my despair having past thru this ordeal when in the deep emotional pain and seemly hopelessness this man came to me and asked me to dance. Many evenings we danced not saying not saying a word, then one night he asked if I believed in God and the Bible. I was so hurting still and witnessing just wasn't what I wanted or sought to do, but I said yes. So he began asking me many questions and I answered him with little enthusiasm. I began to revive and he ask how might he be saved so I led him to Christ that night. Next thing I knew I was going to these pastor home meetings. Once they invited to one of their churches where DICK MILLS who at the time was a TBN regular called me up and as he does gave me many scriptures GOD gave him to give me. Funny me being gay that all these men and women of God never spoke a word from God that there was a hint that I needed to repent of something. I have lots of testimony concerning me being called out by prophets. But then I guess does not need to warn me or speak to me thru prophets when so many in the Church will happily condemn me, right? Tell me Mr. TBN representative on the Internet why is the Church so afraid of gay Christians? A Church based on truth and love won't take a moment to hear a gay person's testimony. Jan once said something so dumb about gays. She said she and Paul were at a wedding and reception and saw everyone enjoying the festivities and her idea of what love for each other was and so she stated if only gays could see all this love they'd quickly convert to straight. My brother once said he felt sorry for me for the things I was missing being gays, meaning the love straights feel together and the family life of a marriage. He caught himself and said how stupid he was that I was not missing a thing for I had a lover and enjoyed as much as family life he ever could have. If Jan would have taken just a few minutes to taught to gays once in a while she could have learned her little wedding event was expressed often in the gay community. I've been to weddings of gays and funerals. Is there less love? I've been to many straight weddings and funerals too. Where is the difference? I grew up in a straight world and know straights inside and out. To bad most straight Christians can't say that about whom they condemn to hell. I can find no difference except when concerning sexual immorality straights far exceed gays no holds barred. Recently I was communicating with an AOG pastor in e-mail. He told me that I should read certain books by certain authors thereby seeing proof gay is sin. Tell me as a representative of TBN are there books that someway magically outweigh other books? Can you explain why one man translations and interpretations are right and another's wrong? Where do you draw the line as to who is correct? How much education is required? What historians have it right? The USA history is almost all wrong. What I was taught in school is not what now is known to have happened in US history. Now more available is the Mason history with many very credible sources. That tells a history that is far from anything taught in any school. Who is right. Those that spent a life researching the history books. The Bible tell us about Masons, did you know that? I call them Masons because that is their name. They use other names during times when they have been exposed. Today the power head are called "Counsel on Foreign Relations, Tri-Latteral Commission, and Builderbergs. Clinton is a member of all 3 just being promoted to the Builderbergs where Bush is a big leader. Jack Kemp is a 33rd level Mason. A level that knows almost everything about what we call anti-christ's kingdom. He would call it the re-birth of Atlantis or the Days of Noah. Sir Francis Bacon had written how the new world American would be the birth place of the New World Order. (New Atlantis). The Masons now for 80 years have been implementing their goals to infiltrate the Church especially Sunday schools to ever so slightly change the meaning of the Bible's message. Why? To fulfill God's Word. The Church must learn the final lesson of love and be shaken for the innocent it persecuted. One day soon the Church will get a shock about Jesus and so many will think Jesus lied to them and turn from him. TBN's message on the Rapture will convince many Jesus lied. The Rapture is not for evil people but God's people as it has always been. Evil unbelievers will be destroyed in one day, but the Church will take 1335 days to have its power broken. Then the Rapture will take place, but still the TRIB is for the Church that remained stubborn. It will take the rest of the Trib to reach then last of them who will go into the Millennium.
Those that the Church persecuted will be the ones the helps to restore those that begin to fall away because they expected to be Raptured. They will be quite amazed to see those they condemned will be the ones healing them and comforting them, assuring them God still loves them. Will TBN be apart of this or will it fail like some others something to be mocked. The Bible does say they will mock you, so why would they unless they think you failed so where is God. Lev. 26's 4th level is the condition of the Church today. The Church simply can not have God's Glory. The Church really believes they will reap in souls at this time taking God's Glory for themselves. This won't happen. As the fall begins in the Church masses will come to the Lord thru unexpected means. The Church must only take in these masses to shepherd. A voice will be spoken to the Church as to instructions for these new born. If the Church continues to feed itself and not the new flock then it will not go well with that church and woe to the one that the servants of the soon coming days will visit if it is not listening to the new messengers. The Masons have an elaborate scheme about to unfold. It has many Church leaders in support and in obedience to them. Most world leaders are presently deciding just in what way they will announce their chosen world leader. This is no longer mere talk of future events but current real meetings planning the specific details to present anti-christ. Yes he is ready and so is the world leaders, it can happen now, but the plan calls for as smooth as transition as possible to create as fast as possible his rise to announce he is GOD. At a certain soon point of time the Spiritual water will be shut off from the Church. For 2000 years Christian had water which was for the purpose of allowing Saints to sink their roots into Jesus. However, with the former and latter rains with all the mist and drizzle in between the Church felt no need to work the hard ground sinking its roots into Jesus where the Living water is. So, for 2000 years the Church has spread its roots covering the shallow ground choking new borns into submission to Church doctrines and bylaws. Soon the Church will for the first time experience no outside source of water. This is the main reason why there is a great falling away. There is almost no time to get your roots into Jesus now, so the coming days will be extremely hard on many Saints. Shallow roots and deep roots feels the same. Jesus keeps his promises no matter what roots you have. You worship him he will be there. But soon you will worship him (he will be there) and you won't feel him. You will think he lied. No matter what you try in the spirit you can't feel him. He is there and ready to answer prayers and help and comfort, but you can't feel it like you use to. that's because your roots were shallow. How hard it will be to help you sink your roots in ground that is parched dry. Why has this happened? There is a 2000 year history in the Church where many were persecuted in the name of Jesus. Cultures were destroyed in the name of Jesus. You were asked to be a witness not a destroyer of cultures. The Holy Spirit's job was to have dealt with the hearts of people in foreign cultures. Now these cultures sees no hope for their ancestors. Why, because so often the Church takes on the role of God and demands conformation. Today's Church is worst than all Church history. Often it is preach that Jesus never changes, and yet what did God do to the Nation of Israel so often raising nations to fight Israel until finally they lost their homeland for more than Christian history. Do you think that the innocent of Christian past will go unheard? The Bible details what will happen in the last days to the Church. God told us. We say we believe God, but if so why don't we believe what He said about the Last Days Church. TBN's favorite past time is saying the Church will not see Tribulation. How can it not see it. Its almost on every page of the Bible. Dan. 12 says 1260 days for breaking the power of God's people. These verses are used often about the last days by many in the Church. Rev. tells you the exact 1260 days in Rev 11 and in verse 18 of that chapter it even dates the giving of the Saints rewards. The Mystery is revealed then and the Temple is opened. All necessary for the Rapture. 3 billion would have recently died on Earth too. God's plan is so detailed, but the Church can't see it because it leaves out major events and sees itself as ready for Heaven at any second. The New Jerusalem Bible says somewhere that the Church will be longing and looking for the 2nd coming and worshipping Jesus. When this all begins to happen. The Church will ask why, God will reply I am punishing you for your ancestors sins. But why should you ask, your sins are greater. The Church will see the 2 witnesses die and rise. Anti-Christ will be world leader 30 days before he kills them. The Church will have another 75 days where at anytime during that time God will cut short least all Saints would perish. You will know the seasons , but not the exact day. Those that understand what I have just said will know to within 75 days of when the Rapture takes place. The 2 witnesses are spoken of in great detail in many places of the Bible almost like a book within a book. Their sins their life, and their calling is detailed. I bet you Hal can't figure that out, let alone the rest of what I am telling you.
My expectation of you are that you will ignore this e-mail and continued to hold that gay is sin and will not work to get gay testimony let alone a challenge like I presented. TBN holding a true camp meeting to reach God concerning gays with me or other gays the know the Word and walk close with the Lord. Reviewing this is whoever at TBN and its programming hosts would have freedom to operate in their spiritual gifts and experience in Christ and Word knowledge to get a hold of God and cast out demons or what is deemed the evil spirit. After TBN's clan has their say and operations in the spirit. I will then have my turn to answer questions about my faith in Christ and call on God myself as my faith allows me, having 23 years of Assemblies of God upbringing as it were.
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