Gays For Jesus
(Bob Larson) Bobontv@aol.com writes: please call me at 303-980-6555 or 1-800-821-8255 and ask for Edna. I would love to have you on my radio program. If you have any further question, please call 303-980-1511. I am e-mailing TBN program hosts to introduce myself. I have my own TV program now into its 13th year in Seattle. Some of TBN's host have talked about me on the Praise the Lord program as some evil group in Seattle.
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^i^ Hi everyone ( :>) ) (my comment to Bob Larson's personal e-mail to me follows my introduction to you all)
^i^ Just a welcome note to visit my home page http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/9647. My permanent e-mail address is firstname.lastname@example.org
^i^ I am e-mailing TBN program hosts to introduce myself. I have my own TV program now into its 13th year in Seattle. Some of TBN's host have talked about me on the Praise the Lord program as some evil group in Seattle. What better way than e-mailing now thanks to the internet you all so that you can decide for yourselves. I use to write to Paul & Jan and they have written back to me. I have also written many program hosts in the past concerning the gay issue. I have been to many of the first rallies TBN held and have been watching since early 1974. I have rec'd many letters back from many of the program host as well. I have a 23 year background in the Assemblies of God and from Jan. 1974 to June 1985 it seemed everywhere I turned around in Christian gathering be it church or camp meeting or rallies I'd be called out by the speaker to give a prophecy or word from God. Every word was positive and detailed my calling and God's love for me for all the congregations to hear. Pastors confided in me through the years of deep concerns with their church and other matters sensing Jesus closeness to me and God's presence in me. In 1985 God revealed His call for me to speak to His people. I had to question this because it concerned itself with speaking with authority to Christian leaders. My concern was that one would have been prepared with very distinct word from God's Word in several ways. One just does not jump into an authority position lightly over God's chosen ministers. Who was I to operate in such authority. God immediately recalled His long list of past confirmations to me since and even before I was Saved. I could not deny those things. God did tell me this many times before I just didn't understand it. The Word he'd given me many times I could not conceive of any pastor or minister I met or knew or heard preach could ever be anything but wonderful caring loving people intent on bringing God's Word in all honesty and conviction with no malice. On concerning the gay issue my policy was the Church would learn gay is not sin in Heaven as it was too big a task to correct the Church before Jesus returns and though I knew I was called almost from the day I accepted Christ that it would be your real nice other wise regular ministry. Trouble was though many saw God in me and came to me for counseling where ever I was and even at one point an entire care giving facility of 22 residence came to Christ as I led them one by one to accept him and many other very remarkable situations up to June of 85' I had no actual ministry. After a confrontation with a AOG pastor telling him I am gay, who many times told me he felt God's presence with me, suddenly changed his attitude towards me. We had talked for at least 2 hours where he tried to convince gay is sin by saying a phrase which in my spirit God finished that pastor's phrase showing me secretly what that pastor left off. I was extremely shy and feebly, but stood up to that pastor telling gay is not sin with strong backing of 12 years of Bible and historical research. After arriving back home I began praying about that meeting asking how I could stand up to pastors without prior authority from God. I had not Finnish the sentence when God answered me by saying re-read Ezek 34 which came to life as never b4. That chapter God had given me from the beginning of my Saved life, but I could never understand it till that day.
^i^ By writing to you does not mean I think you preach an anti-gay message, though many of you do and many others just believe gay to be sin. TBN's message often carries anti-gay preaching by many programs and Praise the Lord hosts. TBN so far has never allowed anyone one to speak anything but anti-gay over the air except when well controlled environment such as a town meeting I saw once where a couple gays one even a minister was on one side and the ant-gay side was allowed to walk all over them. The gay minister would have been able to present good Bible facts showing gay is not sin because I know what he was trying to say when the anti-gay host shut him up to let the anti-gay minister further condemn gays without any backup. Almost every time gays are condemned on TBN there is never any backup given. It is mainly based on everybody believes its sin so why prove it with Bible let alone the Hebrew and Greek. Some TBN program hosts must every message condemn gays. WHY? Masons are going to chop your heads off not gays. That leads into the other main topic of my minister "The Church in the Last Days". TBN's message is PARTY time till Jesus comes. The prophecy teachers are good, but mess up about the Church. The Bible tells so much about the Church in the last days it really is a shame that a teaching that the Saints aren't mentioned from Rev. ch. 4 on when the whole Bible screams out the Last Days warning to the Church. This TRIB period is not designed to get rid of unbelievers. Only one day of the whole TRIB is designed to get rid of unbelievers. The rest of the time is these unbelievers were prepared for a long time to shake God's people just like God raised nations to come against Israel to punish it for turning disobedience to God. The Church is no deferent and the TRIB is the nations raised up to shake the Church so is will put on the wedding gowns and be Raptured. satan has 1290 days for his anti-Christ to have power starting from the last day of the TRIB, the 2 witnesses have 1260 days from the beginning of the TRIB to break the power of the Church so it can be ready for the Rapture which latest moment would be 1335 days from the beginning of the TRIB. anti-christ has 30 days to kill the 2 witnesses after which sometime during the remaining 75 days of the 1335 days allotted to the Church the Rapture takes place. At some point the very elect would perish if God did not cut those 75 days short. There are still believers on Earth after the Rapture, they have 7 bowls designed to get them ready to enter the millenium. It makes no since to assume the Church isn't in the TRIB to be shaken. I go into the many details and facts concern the coming DAYS. These 2 main messages from God are rejected by most of the Church. The shutting off of the water means Christians would need deep roots to survive their faith. Most of the Church has shallow roots today because it feels good and like its deep in Jesus. That is what the rain does, it keeps your faith easy to maintain. When that is cut off suddenly so many in the Church will loose faith this has been enhance by 80 years of Masons infiltrating the Church in the USA to ever so slightly change how we think the Bible says it should be. Christian will be more ready to accept anti-christ than keep faith in Jesus. They will even believed Jesus lied to them in the Bible. Masons will produce artifacts and specific research that will convince many believers to turn to him. The last lesson of LOVE will be taught to the Church as gays who the Church persecuted helps them back into faith in Christ Jesus. I have just covered a very small part of a picture that God place permanently in front of my eyes. I am suppose to tell the Church what I see.
^i^ I recently wrote to Bob Larson in a reply to his reply to an earlier e-mail I sent him and here is that e-mail to his reply:
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:04:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: telephone conversation
(Bob Larson) More on Bob
>On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Bobontv@aol.com writes:
please call me at 303-980-6555 or 1-800-821-8255 and ask for Edna. I
would love to have you on my radio program. If you have any further
question, please call 303-980-1511.
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:16:10 +0000
Subject: Re: need more than 3 sentences
^i^ My reply:
^i^ Please note: Any e-mail or contacts to me could be uploaded to my web site with my comments edited in with the ^i^ symbol. (http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/9647)
^i^ I am sure you'd love to have me on your radio program, I'd love to have you on my TV program too. My challenge was not to maintain the standard protocols of host's ownership and therefore dictatorship of proceedings. I have heard your program a numbers of times ( at least parts of it ) to see that the callers have little input to your opinion on issues. If I wanted to call in I can just like your regular callers do. Look at you just 3 sentences in reply. You do have rule over your listeners as I also over callers from my viewers. We can be in control of those that call us to make our points clear.
^i^ I am not interested in out shouting you in a few moments or helplessly fall prey to your antics. I am a Christian and God is my source through my friend and Lord Jesus Christ who you claim as Savior too. My challenge is quite clear:
In a setting of your church's sanctuary, at the altar, with your pastor overseeing the proceedings, the deacons, elders, pastors, other leaders by what ever your church calls them, and the congregation, will first have the opportunity to call on God according to the faith that church stands for, such as, Assemblies of God, Baptist, Catholic, etc., each has a doctrinal position on calling on God (getting hold of God), praying on issues. Here is an example: I am a 23 plus year AOG man therefore such a church would do a relative standard announcing of what happening, prayer over it, singing, deeper prayer going into tongues, praising, developing an atmosphere that brings in the Holy Spirit to visible manifestations which can include healing, word of knowledge, prophecy, etc.. Upon entering into this dimension of GOD a direct proceeding of laying on hands, casting out demons, calling for God to bring word concerning this issue. This can take as long as the pastor feels sufficient to either get no reply or get a reply from God. After which, anyone in attendance could see something to indicate gay is sin or not from God. All this time I put myself at the center allowing every manner of that church's faith regarding operating in the Spirit be accomplished. You can rebuke the demons in me, cast them out, quote any verse you like, do a sermon or five until your are exhausted. Then it will be my turn. I will then as well operate in my faith. As I said earlier I have a 23 year background in AOG so there should be no concern about unusualness coming from me. I may rebuke or cast out demons, I may preach for hours, I may lay hands on, I may prophesies, I may take one minute too.
^i^ If you are an individual that wants to do a private session, what are you afraid of? If you are a ministry with no church support to provide the above setting then find one. You have no credibly in reaching God as an individual under the conditions of such enormity that effects everyone. I come alone to face the church on this issue, you are representing the Church on this issue, so you must meet the requirements of a fully operating body of believers. If you are a ministry that generally functions close to a church format and has similar support team as pastors in a church and can have pastor(s) present and you have regular congregation meetings, then this may be an acceptable format. My ministry is basically to the Church, not individuals.
^i^ Want to be out of bonds with the Church then we can discuss a presentable format. It is the day now, that anti-gay ministries will not have the freedom to continue to flat out condemn without having to answer for it. As a guest on your program you will have to talk this over with me to equal the playing field. 3 sentences doesn't show me your interest for truth. Air time would be divided up to allow God to work not to promote your attitude against gays. I would have to hear what you have to say to me concerning air time. I don't particularly care if you don't like these conditions. Its not my job to prove anything. I would think it better to accept an invitation by God than to reject it. God is inviting you, not me inviting you to invite me. The DAY is shortly to come that will prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, but like the Bible tells us, its usually to late when we must learn by it taking place in front of your eyes on God's terms in which you rejected His earlier invitation. Below is a couple of verses God gave me a long time ago concerning the future on the gay issue:
25 "'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: When I gather the people of Israel from the nations where they have been scattered, I will show myself holy among them in the sight of the nations. Then they will live in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. (NIV)
26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God. (KJV)
^i^ I don't give you these verses to hear how you would erase God out of the Meaning God gave me. I give it to you to explain the coming Days that you will see with your own eyes. God will show Himself publicly to the Church from within the gay Christian community un-mistakenly that He is with them and against those that have preach against them. God further explains that He will punish those that condemn gays by using His Word. Plain put those that will not listen to His message to His people that gay is not sin answer to God personally (actually Jesus) Jesus has a specially emotional attitude concerning gays and how they have been treated by the Church:
Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. (KJV)
^i^ This point in the time line which is very close now is significant. Few understand much of the meaning it holds. It is full of emotions of Jesus. This Day Jesus has been longing for probably more than any other Day in history. It is the Day set that he is now allowed to answer prayers of the persecuted who were persecuted by the Church.
Ezek 34:18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? (KJV)
^i^ Ezek 34 talks a lot about gays (and others innocents that God's people persecute). This Chapter is alive with Last Days Church information and condition and a positive message to gays. I know you hate to consider that this chapter refers to gays. Like I said I don't have to prove a thing. God never told me to prove anything, just tell His people. Its your choice to further your research or continue to believe gay is sin based on the 700 year old Church anti-gay doctrine. You weren't there when God revealed these things to me or saw the things God showed me. You can only believe or disbelieve what I say.
^i^ I would think you have on your computer many facts and original language definitions of the words you use to condemn gays. I would think that you would have historical records to back you up as well. The last time I saw you you were in a discussion with a demon who controls this part of the universe. I wonder how long any of the Apostles talked to demons or how long did Jesus' conversation with demons last? I full radio or TV program worth? If Christians want to know about this stuff they can check out Debbie of JZK in Yelm Washington. Ramtha or who ever can explain it all. Why should you want to participate in talking with a demon? I always was taught that the Blood of Jesus took care of demons. Why can't you just cast it out and be done with it? Or if its one of those that needs fasting and prayer then go fast and pray then cast it out. But talk 30 minutes with a demon. You know what that means. The demon won you over even if you get rid of it later the demon won and you lost. I know it is so tempting to converse with a demon and beside what viewer ratings you get. You just showed me that you know little about demons or are using then (which means they are using you) to promote your show. The same old thing. Christian have no real experience with demons because the Church faded away from dealing with them. So many Christians go about casting out demons from everything that moves. Demons are very successful here in the 20th century. You would not recognize one if it bit you on the nose. From some sources I found that there are a few strongholds in the Seattle area completely unknown by the Church, but are doing tremulously hideous work. They are classified as principalities. Seattle has a branch of the Rosicrusions a direct partner to the Masons work. Have you ever considered doing real spiritual warfare against real demons (principalities)? Why not check out Masons (Freemasons). They are undermining churches across the US and around the world.
^i^ It is pretty sick to see these continue in complete freedom of exposure by the Church (as at time the Church did expose them) while the Church thinks it is more important to fight innocent gays who hurt nobody and other innocent people. The high level Masons are the ones getting direct guidance from demons. They worship Lucifer as never fallen and is equal to God their enemy. But you see you can get killed that way because if you expose them they might kill you. If you talk about the New World Order from the perspective of who are they really then you might get killed. Yet, rarely media ministries talk about the real enemies they just have fun destroying innocent people. It seems to be more fun to condemn gays than Masons. Masons are going to chop your heads off, gays are going to help straight Christians come back to faith in God after they begin be shakened. Mixed up Church, huh?
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