Gays For Jesus
Exodus International was founded by Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper in 1976 "This quote is not true at all!" says Stephen Black a leader in First Stone ex-gay ministry.
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Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper
I have an article published Feb. 25 1990 that goes into detail concerning these 2. It also includes the date they were the keynote speakers at the western regional Conference of Evangelicals Concerned. on the campus of SF State Univ. July 6-8 March 1,1990. I suppose you will call this a lie too. You see the info is from the horses mouth and would still deny it.
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Date: 97-06-01 06:19:53 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Stephen Black)
* Exodus International was founded by Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper in 1976.
This quote is not true at all!
There is a old proverb which says, "The man who says it is impossible should get out of the way of the man that is doing it."
Beside, the majority is GOD, which you will ultimately answer to.
Please don't send me any more of your e-mails, I really don't have time to argue with you and your distorted misguide compiling, there are twice as many people leaving the gay life style than that are willing to be counted! But you wouldn't know that because your research is very fragmented to protect your faulty belief system.
Peace and Grace,
So you are not willing to show me why you believe gay is sin and where in the Bible it says that? Aren't you an ex-gay ministry? Don't you have material to send folks that shows why you feel that gays can change. Don't you have procedures. Don't you have a fee for your clients to change and be straight like so many ex-gay groups do. Don't you have a packet? What do you give churches to explain what you provide to your clients? My research is fragmented? I didn't tell you my research. MY research goes to 2000 years ago in the historical records about gays and original languages and what was happening in the peoples minds concerning gays. There is tons of history just like tons of history on fertility religions of the past where we get the word sodomite. Where do you get off in saying you have the right info? That's what good about God, you don't control the facts so anyone anywhere can research especially today. You assume gays that say gay is not sin don't get the facts. I am ready to go with the best people you can produce concerning gays and what the Bible says.
^i^ HMMMM... The quote wasn't mine. So you will have to take it up with People like Ralph Blair and others. I 1st read about it a long time ago. You assume a lot here don't you. I have lots of personal experience due to my TV program called "Gays For Jesus". Now lets examine some facts.
I am sorry you don't know the history of Exodus. My 1st knowledge about it was in 1985 which led me to over 30 ex-gays ministries. I wrote to them all for period of time. Slowly the numbers dwindled down as they moved or quit leaving no forwarding address. It seems easy for you to discount people that have studied the ex-gays ministries for a long period of time. My personal study is now at over 12 years. Sylvia Pentington (a Assemblies of God STRAIGHT woman) researched this personally for 25 years writing a book on ex-gays and a few other books. I knew her personally and had her on my program twice. Its easy for you to say her work is wasted right? The San Francisco Ex-gay ministry she was involved with while she was there had 100 going thru the program. She left for 1 year and when she return no a single person was left out of that 100. She knew these 100 personally and reach all 100 and 98 personally. All had found Jesus wasn't asking them to change and be straight. You say there is twice as many leaving the gay life style that aren't willing to be counted. Tell me the follow ups you do. My follow-up reports goes 3 decades. If gays stayed changed as you dream then why do churches use brochures of testimonies of ex-gays that long since found Jesus isn't asking them to changes and be straight. The internet has tons of info readily available. In the past it took lots of reading and research, now it takes minutes. I just reviewed for 2 hours concerning ex-gays both pro and con. If as you say Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper weren't co-founders then who was? I have an article published Feb. 25 1990 that goes into detail concerning these 2. It also includes the date they were the keynote speakers at the western regional Conference of Evangelicals Concerned. on the campus of SF State Univ. July 6-8 March 1,1990. I suppose you will call this a lie too. You see the info is from the horses mouth. They were silent for 11 years. In 1974 he (20 year old Bussee) confessed to the Melodyland director he had a homosexual past. He began by working on the counseling lines to homosexuals. 21 year Cooper was also on the staff at the church. From that Exodus International was born. How much more do you want me to tell you. Who is lying to who. Who has done their homework. I lived near Melodyland and even went to a service it was across from Disneyland. I also watched many of its services on TBN. So there is a past to check. It is not secret. How can you deny Exodus's past except to convince those coming to you that you can become ex-gay. By the way the 2 taped ( interviewed by a Kurt Wolfe) their radio announcement denouncing all such ex-gay programs. So their is a tape that is available somewhere too. 1974 (hmmm that's when I accept Jesus) Bussee confesses and by 1976 they founded Exodus. It wasn't long after 1979 they had left Exodus and was immediately treated less than friendly by their colleagues. There is more details. But please send me your details concerning these 2 who you say aren't the founders of Exodus.
I have personally interviewed several ex-gay leaders. Have you heard about Doug Houck of Metonia in Seattle? He went on TV announcing his deliverance. This after years as founder. ( Now are you going to tell me this man wasn't founder too?) He told me personally many things and his teaching on the issue. In the 90's he was virtually caught in the act and sent on sembatical. It took him over a year to send me his proof original language concerning 1 Cor. 6:9 and that when I confronted him at Townmeeting Ch 4 Seattle. I could not believe he put so much emphasis on a modern English rendering when that verse has so much history and changes. Because of my TV program not only have I spoke directly on the phone with at least 300,000 calls some were past ex-gay leaders or held high positions in the staff like president. One such man called me and told me including credentials involving the history of that ex-gay ministry while he was involved which doesn't exit anymore. He said he was standing in prayer support of Doug Houck in his first going to ex-gay ministry for help. I also got a call from a person from his church that gave me much info as I talked in detail with him concern their beliefs. They were the church of the advanced people. Only ones that can be saved must be a member of that church. Finally he named it. The reformed church. I asked Doug about it because I do follow ups too. Doug wouldn't deny it only said I need to ask his pastor for his church's belief. I have personally studied for 23 years each verse used to condemn gays looking at both sides. I personally spoke with the leader of L.I.F.E. and prayed for that leader and the Pastor at Queen Anne Assembly of God in Seattle. The Holy Spirit through my hugging them both together and praying in tongues over them changed the pastor from a very violent disposition towards me to a loving respectful demeanor. That pastor even offered his support to allow me to finish the TV program I was producing at his church on that ex-gay group. This Pentecostal ex-gay ministry had a packet that was one inch thick detailing every process of their ministry to help gays become ex-gays. I still have that packet. Mostly behavioral Modification techniques. And much pretty gruesome. Bussee applied his Masters degree in Counseling too. Is that what Exodus does today? L.I.F.E. also strongly feels demons are involved and that must be dealt with. Failure at anytime met with severe rejection per policy. The groups leader kept repeat a question what I think of anal sex. Is this an important question for ex-gays leaders? My prayer ended that too. All the testimonies , about 7 that night, was very strange for people supposedly changed to straight or on the way. Every mention of past gay relationships brought a sparkle to their voice and a twinkle in their eyes. One especially was their pet display item. He said he had finally got a handle on becoming straight. Funny with I walk up to him during break to hand he the Hebrew for sodomite he froze solid then literally ran away. However, most people were friendly, the pastor's wife told that even the Word of God itself would not be allowed there if it was against what they were saying. Now there is "Quest" which is no more because its founder was charged with 13-14 counts of sexual relations with his clients. Funny though he also founded HA and it doctrine and principles which are still used today. Another funny thing it was an Adventist church based. Here we have the church of the advanced people, (although I have attended reform churches and they seem ok and not denying entrance to the Kingdom to other churches) then and now Adventist. My Assemblies of God church even sends people to them and all denomination do likewise. While these churches often condemn the belief of these 2 backgrounds. Send your ex-gays to ex-gay ministries in other faiths. WOW what wonderful Chastens. Well Exodus must be somewhat Pentecostal or very friendly on that issue as they have been long on TBN which rallied there several times. Where do you get your facts concerning so many delivered. I come up with bisexual choose to live their straight side and gays try to live celibate lives. Well the facts are bisexual don't change either. If they marry as a straight they will also have the same 50 to 60 % chance for divorce where they will be again up to finding someone else this time it could very well be their gay side because they weren't delivered of their orientation. The Bible says do not deny in marrying and if you are married do not fast and pray to long but get back to your wife for sex or satan will tempt you. So what is your doctrine concerning celebrate lives? Gays should refrain from sex till delivered? God says satan will tempt you on short order. You need to get married. Because the Church says gay can't marry does not mean God does not honor gay couples. Have you done long term studies on gay couples? I have. What about sex Have you done long term study on sex? If you have please tell me what it entailed. You see God take you through that school. This school you must fail many times, you must learn the water bucket full of holes class on sexuality. Today Christian straights that are single 62% HAVE SEX ON THE FIRST DATES. Why, because they disobey God? No, but because the Church is not dealing with sexuality right. You think Because I sent you someone else's info about Exodus that I don't know what I am talking about? You should be ashamed of yourself. If you are a Christian I am your brother. I have a Walk of 23.5 years. Jesus is very close with me. You and all your thinking that gay is sin can't undue one second of that walk. I can tell you many many times how Christians have come to me see God in me seeking my counseling. I've been many places and have worshipped God in many churches and camp meetings. I have been called out by the famous ministers and the nobody minister across this land to give me a word from the Lord. They have detailed often my calling and the Love God has for me and I him. Are all these prophets and ministers and lay people so blind ? Do you condemn them as false prophets of God? Never ever has there ever been a hint I was living in sin though I was there with my lover. I have been healed 3 times physically dramatically. I call on Jesus and he answers instantly with his neat greeting. His presence never forsake me. You must give answer to why Jesus is so close to a quote" practicing gay". But what will you do but send a rejection to me and a condemnation "fragmented to protect your faulty belief system." your statement. Why don't you study a little. I have been preaching 12 plus years on TV, I ran a BBS system for about 8 years, I have spent sometime 2-3 hours a day in Christian chat rooms on the internet for 2 years and now just opened my home page on the net. 23 years in the Assemblies of God what a fragment belief system huh? Well, the main things that differ is I have studied the gays issues and the Last Days. And its is not what is being generally preached.
I have also studied what the Masons are doing and people like Lord Maitreya who has already met with 200 world leaders and the Vatican to figure the best way to introduce him as world leader. Masons have a 5000 history of secret societies with the goal to re-introduce the pre-flood days of Noah. They have failed many times but never gave up. the Power Heads of the Mason today are the Counsel on Foreign Relations. Early this century they set a goal to infiltrate the Church in the USA esp. the Sunday schools and now have been doing it for around 8 decades. They bought the media ( you can see the members list on my home page related topics) they paid for nearly all wars and neither side was the enemy. Of course you would probably think this all hog wash too. A good number of Christians will think Jesus lied to them because they find that the 490 years the last 7 (TRIB) was designed for the Church (God's people) and they thought the TRIB was for evil unbelievers. God never was too interested in anyone except his people the other were raised to power to punish to correct once done they were destroyed. So it is with the TRIB. 1260 days are for breaking the power of the Church which the Church may have to wait an addition 75 days till the Rapture. Rev. 11:18 is the rewarding of the saints and the Temple opened and the Mystery of God accomplished. satan has 1290 day as anti-christ staring from the end of the Trib so the Church will see as much as 30 days plus 75 days of him in power before the Rapture. The Church isn't realizing yet that the water will be shut off and their shallow roots begin withering. While this time draws near it more important for you to tell someone that sends you and email to reject that person.
Finally tell me about groups like PFLAG.. Are they nuts too? You know Parents and friends, and families of gays and lesbians. You see there is an interesting fact that comes to light. Is my thinking flawed concerning gays? Then why so many parents begin to study the word afresh to see if they really must abandon and loose their gay children. What they find so often is God is not asking them to change a be straight. and that gay is not sin. These are independent studies of individuals who are so in love with Jesus and are loosing their most precious thing, their child. They must learn and seek God with all their being, if gay is sin how they make change that. They find in fact that gay is not sin. There is a real deliverance that can be followed up for decades to come. On the ex-gay side it is a life time of following strict steps which often leads to hopeless future. Fact say regular clients of ex-gay last one to two years while leaders last 6-9 years. Leaders have a lot to loose going public so they have more pressure to live a lie that they are ex-gay. I don't know if you are ex-gay or a straight stand in for an ex ex-gay. So many ex-gay ministry I noticed do have straights step in as the leader. Metonia is one. LIFE's leader is straight. Are you fighting your gayness still. Some ex-gays really fights gays the harder. Rich Little was it got delivered then wore a nice suit on TBN many times preaching against gays. Where is he now? I seen him on shows very flamboyant again and will not discuss gays to be sin when asked. Another thing I'd like you to tell me. I have watch many many shows and been on one which they had 2 sides. The announced Christian anti-gay and the pro-gay sides. The pro-gay sides always has many Christian mixed in and many gay Christians besides all the others. The ant-gay side never smiles much and their replies seem to demand strict obedience to the letter of the WORD. Even groups that are against gays in a secular debate when put to it admits they are against gays because God is against them. Every time these anti-gay groups behaviors feels like hate even though they say "LOVE" they never express Jesus LOVE as a outflow of his presence in them. Then you look at the pro-gay side and there is always a free flow of love easily seen as natural and genuine. Its like night and day. Tell me why does Jesus have to resemble night? And sin resemble day? I will till you why. Jesus is the light and his light can't be hid it flows out of the hearts and so who is really showing Jesus' love. Do you think the anti-gay groups really express love. Love just is not a word I am convinced of that, it is a behavior. You can see it. I spend hours everyday sometimes with very hateful Christians that mean well, yet with this I have an abundance of love. I was about to be violently treated by a pastor at Queen Anne Assembly of God and I had plenty of love for them that changed their behavior. I can tell you many stories about many pastors because of my TV program. I also know I can love you and Jesus would do something in your presence that will change you by you taking time to hear what Jesus has done in the past 23 years. Think about it. God Bless you and remember to standfast for the day is almost here that can convince you to think Jesus lied to you. You will hear and see things that changed much about Jesus and it will be convincing even to the elect. Don't fool yourself to thinking your walk with Jesus is sowed up. It requires you to believe till that day come that he takes you out. There are already accumulated appearance of facts that will make Jesus different than what we thought, ( I am not talking about gays or what you think now, that will change, God is about to be dramatic there too) But the "Masons" never stop and they know how to convince most and don't think you are different than most. Technology exist that can make a man seem to be GOD. The internet is about to "get a life" as it were. Many Christians think the Rapture will come at the beginning of the TRIB, IT WON'T. Christian will see 3.5 billion die in a 42 month period of time before the Rapture. We are in the 4th level of Lev. 26. I wish I can show you what I see that Jesus keep in front of my face. I can only try to explain it. Please however stupid it sounds today, believe Jesus, He did die for you and will never forsake you. It will get bad, they will be convincing, the things happening will confirm what they says and seen to contradict what GOD said. God said many things in the OT Jesus did not say what God said would be will not be because he came to die and rise. You will need to learn about the 4th commandment how to keep the Sabbath. Its one of the 4 ways to love God in Jesus' 2 commands. 144,000 will be teaching it. 2 witnesses will be hated by the CHURCH, listen to them they will teach you how to put on your wedding gown the last thing Christians need to do is put that wedding gown on. You will see the 2 die and rise unless you were killed with the 3.5 billion. In which case you will be in the dead shall rise first if you kept your faith. No one can take Jesus away from you and Jesus will not forsake you, but you can not persevere, or standfast, or holdfast. If we are told often to do these things then believe that if you don't hold to your faith that you can abandon your faith. All we as Christians are really required to do is believe God. The gay issues you believe the best you can now, if you are wrong and never learn differently won't loose that faith, but the Masons are very smart believe me. Their god Lucifer has taught them well. The Bible says if those days weren't cut short even the elect could be deceived. The Masons have a detailed history and most complete concerning believing Lucifer as not fallen and equal to GOD. God being the really dark evil god. The 1st 3 levels appear Christian. Jack Kemp is a 33rd degree Mason which knows it all. The Southern Baptist alone has 3-4 hundred thousand Masons many pastors reached the 33rd degree. So what of the rest of the Church. Masons are very involved. They have had 80 some years to ever so slightly modify Christian belief, in some way much larger ways. That really hate Christians and atheist, and Jewish people. These groups have stopped them cold in the past and aren't easily swayed over, but can easily be held captive in the first 3 levels and do much of the appearing innocent good works that they do. If you could ever take time from your busy schedule you might be able to read some info concerning them. Then when they move to take over the USA and world publicly you'd not forsake Jesus. I only wish I could present the urgency of this matter. You think it rubbish now and your faith sound. That's because the water is still raining down. That will soon stop, figure it out. The Bible was not written to the evil Masons and the one world gov't. It was written to you. Even the 7 last bowls aren't for the evil people or anti-christ, but for those that will come through the TRIB and go into the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ in their healed bodies that can then live for a 1000 years. Anti-christ and all others are wrapped up in a day the 1290th day of anti-christ. 2520th after the TRIB began. Thank-you Stephen Black of Exodus International for replying back so quickly.
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