Gays For Jesus
Episode: 1351 Length: 28 min.
I am willing to stand in front of your congregation and take all they can dish out so I can have a few minutes with them to warn them about the coming days. Challenge
Comments in reply
From: "Ed Rutherford
Gay Bashing(part 2 of 3)
(from the last sentence of this e-mail. Though very long please read through it all....)
^i^ I am willing to stand in front of your congregation and take all they can dish out so I can have a few minutes with them to warn them about the coming days.
^i^ I will comment now on your e-mail.
From: "Ed Rutherford" EdR@SoCA.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:10:32
Subject: Gay Bashing
I am sorry.. I couldn't find your name.
I apologize for the gay bashing and other unchristian behavior you
have suffered. I am an Assemblies of God Pastor and I, too, have
read and study the Bible.
^i^ It is interesting that you disassociate yourself with the "unchristian behavior" for as I glance below I notice you dig right in to using the bible to condemn gays without any concern that I am a Christian with a 23 year walk with Jesus Christ our Lord ( now 41 years). This alone, not to disqualify the Bible at all, but to emphasis the Bible's description of what happens to those that accept Christ. Each Christian has a testimony and the Bible says that one can give his account of his faith in Christ. As usual you are bringing up the letter not asking me to give account of my faith. I can answer the letter, but I can almost with certain expect you to cling to the 700 year old Church anti-gay doctrine and not really strike out on new ground to check if that doctrine is sound.
I can't help but question your interpretation of some of the verses you mention. It is not just my knowledge of Greek and Hebrew you call into question but the body of Greek and Hebrew literature, both religious and non-religious, that you question.
^i^ Yes, I do call into question the definitions you were taught concerning gays and the Hebrew and Greek. There happens to be a tons of Greek and Hebrew literature available especial Greek concerning gays. The Church has gone to great pains to hide any positive literature in the past 700 years. The Vatican kept much literature done in its vaults a library that is used rarely and is not advertised though one can go there to study. You are referring to anti-gay material approved by Church for Christian reading and research. The Church just does not support reading positive material concerning gays. I have talk with a professor at NW College in Kirkland who someone referred me to who has lots of positive material and he behind closed doors admits gay is not sin based on Church doctrine. There are 2 sources of material one positive and one negative. How can you profess to be knowledgeable on the gay issues if you only look at negative material?
The word sodomite came to have such a connotation because of the
behaviors associated with it. There is no doubt what the Bible is
stating in relation to the city of Sodom and its sinfulness before
God. The Angelic-Sodomite confrontation is an example of that
sinfulness. Was that the only sin of Sodom? Of course not..
Simply because there were other sinful elements of the city does not
excuse or lessen the sin of the Homosexual band that attempted to
rape the Angels. watch the video on "Sodom and Gamorah" at
^i^ Listen to you, you compare attempted gang rape and attempted murder to gay behavior? How many males were involved here? How big was these cities? Where did the boys come from. Every boy and grandpa was there too. Abraham won a war for the King of Sodom where in we get insight into its people in that they were otherwise a normal city which means 90% straight with children. How can every male be gay? In all history where do you find gays conducting gang rape and murder, this is a especially straight trait. The Bible tells us a lot about straight gang RAPES AND MURDERING THEIR VICTIMS. The Bible is very clear, you know that, God said it was destroyed for inhospitality. Now a days we have computers so let me insert that:
Ezek 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. (KJV)
^i^ In case you did not know gays are doing what straights do ( I am not discussing common sexual sins between straights and gays). Gays date and marry, though they usually use the term lover instead of wife or husband. I can guess you are married, so you can just look at you love for your wife and all that it means. In all the hurts, arguments, and operating a family, work, and love, plus any other related detail including child rearing in many cases. My 1st lover which lasted 10 years has 3 kids. Its very easy these days to check out gay behavior since there are 600 million gays. They are the care givers, and are the best workers. Of sexual deviants 3% are gay and 97% are straight. There is just no way a pastor should ever in the sight of God blame these 2 cities as being proof God hate them or punished the cities because you think it was gays there. The related text later on describes an attempt to gang rape a man, but accepted a daughter and raped her instead, wow this is really gay behavior huh? Please, be respectful to facts.
Is Homosexuality in itself a cause for judgement and destruction
before the living God? I know that God judges both our heart and
our acts. If we are tempted to sin and do not act on those
temptations there is no sin.
^i^ No it is not because no place in God's word does it condemn gays. Yes, we all sin and these sins are common to all, but being gay and loving your lover is not a sin just like you and your wife's relationship is not a sin. Unless you are a expert in the field of gay relationships then you need to be careful that you don't hurt one of God's children that are gay. God through Jesus has a plan to answer their prayer which he has reserved for the coming season. I hope when I say that you don't do like so many in your thoughts and say I am nuts. Ever think that God is talking to you. Maybe I have a past so maybe I've been taught a thing or two from the Lord and just maybe I have a word that you just might reject because you think I nuts and don't know what I am saying. Many things I talk about are backed by my relationship with the Lord & his teaching me things to later tell the Church. Try in prayer fervently asking God where is my authority coming from. AOG pastor should automatically be baptized in the HOLY SPIRIT to be such a minister otherwise already a hypocrite. So get a hold of God, just see if you stand on your doctrines or allow the HOLY SPIRIT to move you. I have confidence in the LORD that is why I can speak boldly to pastors. I did not choose to minister and was not looking for Jesus, but he came to me and called me to ministry. But you didn't ask how I came to the Lord did you? You are just explaining gay is sin to me... Love ya any way.
If you, as a believer, are stating that you can have a homosexual
relationship and still be righteous in God's eyes, there is a real
problem. It is no different than if I thought I could have an
adulterous relationship and still be righteous. I would be wrong.
Just as wrong as David was when confronted by Nathan.
^i^ There is quite a big gap in your understanding about gay that is for sure. You just never questioned yourself conditioning concerning gays. Its time to question where you arrived at your conclusions. It is not of God but of man concerning gays. It is funny that you believe Jesus is real and is truth, but truth you avoid running as fast as you can away from it concerning gays. Adultery? Tell me how you arrive at a word that mean having sex with anther's spouse? Or as in God, going after other gods? Yes, gay commits Adultery and it bring the same kinds of pain that it does to straights. You think I believe, then why not ask me to give account of my faith. Why don't you question Jesus on this issue. I can give 23 years of testimony that you can not refute. You are the one that must question the Lord on why is he so close to me in so many ways including uplifting me under the on slot of Christians and ministers like yourself. Where do I get my strength. David is quite a character concerning his sexual life. lots of studies on him. I hope you are not claiming to be an expert on him. He has many attributes that just simply is not dealt with by the Church. God also ministers revelation on David to some as they read the Word. You have been taken through the Holy Spirit school on sex then feel free to discuss it, but beware if you have not been in that class. Colleges do not teach this class. It is a special class with the same teacher for every student. This class is not a class anyone can claim by merely stating all Christians are taught by the Holy Spirit. All are taught within the grace of the Spirit, but that is a big difference. Because you sit up as a pastor in the AOGs does not mean you understand sexual matters concerning the Bible. I don't care if you have a doctorate on the subject. And when it concerns gays then you have no idea what you are talking about concern sin sexually. There is a big loop in the sin of gays sexually which raps around into the Church's lap. 700 years the Church has banned marriage to gays and in less than a 200 year period has made state ban it to. Gays were force into deep hiding and into dual lives which force gays to live lives that otherwise has to be direct sin, but because of the circumstances force by unjust laws of the Church which made state conform brought a culture that developed spontaneously into ways and means for otherwise normal people to act in ways that seem offensive to those taught with figure everything out of the missionary position with your wife is sin. How can I expect you to comprehend the magnitude of Church wide sin this encompasses? Jesus know very well what the Church did to its gay members:
1 Cor 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. (KJV)
^i^ The Church did say to its gay members it has no need of you. What then as a pastor can you figure if the Church really banned a Church body part for over a 700 year period of time. Would the Church get sick? Isn't that what is often preached in AOL and TBN regularly? Prophetic Word abounds concerning the sick state of the Church today. Along with the coming healing. How do you think it will be healed. By magic? No by grafting back on the member that the Church cut off. In 1968 this began. First with Dignity and Catholic gay outreach, then a year later with MCC representing all Christian faiths. For some time now all faith Christian and otherwise meet together as Christians or whatever faith in their respective groups. Many are supported by the representing denominations, other support but not 100%. AOG has many gay pastors and many straight pastors secretly supporting gays. Many AOG straight pastor marry gays behind closed doors. Openly, which you know as fact, AOG pastors must not allow gays to by openly in their churches unless they have committed to a Bible study program and counseling to become straight and accepting the anti-gay doctrine. You have no idea what God has taught gays. He is teaching them, most aren't aware of the purpose yet, to heal the Church in the day when disaster strikes. When many, huge numbers in the Church loose faith or nearly loose faith the one they persecuted will be there for them with loving open arms restoring them to faith. There is a soon coming day a large part of the Church will think Jesus lied. God has shown me much concerning the Church in the last days. AOG is missing a lot though much isn't that far off, but far enough that a great shock will swam over them. God has been warning of this day for years, but look, its party time in the Church. In the New Jerusalem Bible I believe you can read how the Church will excitedly look for his coming singing and praising, when sudden calamity strikes and they ask why. God says I am punishing you for your ancestor's sins. why should you think it strange I say this because your sins are worse than theirs. Lev. 26 4th level is the state of the Church and its about time to administer the 4th level punishment. I know you don't believe the Church will be shaken like this, you are AOG same as me, you believe pre-Trib rapture. It has a basic simplicity , rewards given in the air. Preached by AOG forever. Rev.11:18 says rewards given. oops, 3.5 billion have died by this point in a 42 month period. The Temple is opened here and the Mystery accomplished. What mystery? Our Salvation. Even the 7 remaining bowls are for the CHURCH not satan or anti-christ. satan and all the rest of evil is taken care of in one day, the last day. The rest of the TRIB is to prepare the Church for the 100 years. How the Trib ever got mixed up with punishment for unbelievers is the strange mystery, but I can tell you how the Church has become unprepared for the TRIB. Is all in one name. Not satan though he is their god. MASONS. Try studying them. They have been here since the Flood with one goal, re-instating or re-birthing the Days of Noah. 5,000 year history of a distinct purpose fitting word for word the bible's anti-christ one world gov't. The main name you would know Masons (high level) by is Counsel on Foreign Relations. Still Masons or one of it extension. They have for 80 years been sneaking into the Church purposefully to ever so slightly modify its beliefs so that one day they would get a shock that they would believe Jesus lied to them. Southern Baptist alone has 3-4 hundred thousand Masons. They have paid for almost all wars and own the Media. The Church is having a hey condemning anything it deem unpure and is blind to what is happening around them. They could care less about the frightening details about to befall them saying Jesus is who they trust. God said believe HIM, but the Church doesn't believe what HE said will happen to them. It is the CHURCH God is eternally interested in and it is not ready. 1260 it will take to prepare them for eternity and get them in wedding gowns. So, how much do you really know about gays and where they fit into prophecy? Are they evil to be destroyed or made straight and saved, or are they part of a perfect plan to bring the Church into LOVE and Christ likeness?
I believe that we need ministries that will earnestly reach out and
help the homosexual community. I am afraid that many of the
ministries now working in this area are more harmful than helpful.
Sadly, many are leading good people down the path of utter
^i^ Lets see if I have done my homework concerning ex-gay ministries?
Alabama - 205-942-0769
Alaska - 907-333-4673
Arkansas - 501-565-1084
California - 916-722-0206, 310-572-0140, 310-835-3858, 714-744-3326,
916-969-3929, 805-735-8143, 415-454-0960, 209-264-6125, 510-785-0349
Colorado - 303-770-4648, 303-322-2027
Connecticut - 203-248-5274
Florida - 407-629-5770, 305-680-3538
Georgia - 404-636-5924
Illinois - Nehemiah Ministries, PO Box 773, Urbana, IL 61801-0773 (sorry, no phone number)
Iowa - 515-277-2361
Kansas - 316-267-8779, 913-345-0559
Kentucky - 606-277-4941
Maryland - 301-661-0284, 703-661-HOPE, 301-882-6312 (for deaf)
Massachusetts - 617-445-1787, 617-266-3633
Michigan - 616-942-2063, 313-730-8111
Minnesota - 612-754-0420, 612-827-1419
Missouri - 417-866-2361
Nebraska - 402-421-1111
New Jersey - 201-694-2938
New York - 212-370-0475 (ask for Keith), 914-692-2848
North Carolina - 919-877-5649, 704-963-7772, 704-536-6705, 919-791-6179,919-846-8742, 919-852-6134, 704-331-1720
Ohio - 513-433-0332, 513-861-0011
Oklahoma - 405-672-3733, 918-744-0437Oregon - 503-235-6364
Pennsylvania - 215-435-8411, 717-361-8414, 717-766-7904, 215-985-4031
Tennessee - 615-254-8342
Texas - 713-465-7045, 512-496-2880
Virginia - 804-358-8150, 804-490-5777
Washington - 206-783-3500 Canada - 416-921-6557
Overseas Information: True Freedom trust, PO Box 3, Upton, Wirral,<BR>
Merseyside, England L49 6NY 051-653-0773 From USA: 011-44-51-653-0773,For S. Pacific: Liberty, 15 Eagle Terrace, Torwood, Queensland 4066,
Australia (07) 371-4705
^i^ I guess I have huh? The above are phone numbers of ex-gay ministries and the like. Over the past 2 decades I have followed many ex-gay ministries, many do not exist today, most have changed hands a number of times, usually straights take them over when the ex-gay leader falls back into homosexuality as they would say. The most notable ex-gay ministry is Exodus International. Its 2 founders are lovers now and preaching across the USA that they were wrong to preach gay is sin and are very sorry for the immense pain that message caused so many and the direct connection to many suicides as a result of gay trying to become straight according to the Church anti-gay doctrine which you are showing me you prescribe to as well. I personally have talked with several ex-gay leaders that have since left that ministry finding Jesus in not asking the gay person to change and be straight. I have personally talked to L.I.F.E. an AOG supported ex-gay ministry and listen to several testimonies including one that was their pet testimonial who had just finished saying he finally got a handle on it and was living free from homosexuality. I walk over to him handing him the Hebrew for sodomite:
6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.
^i^ He stiffened up and literally ran from me.... The other testimonies every one of them had a special spark in their eyes when the discussed their past lives as gay with a joy in the smile at the remembrance of that past. Beside the non-gay related real life facts were missing out of most of their testimonies. Many just accepted Christ and confessed their tendencies to their pastor who immediately put them into counseling to become straight. I have lots of details about various ex-gays and their leaders concerning changing simply does not work. It amazes me that people like you totally ignore real life facts concerning ex-gays. You love to present decades of facts concerning drugs, cigarettes, prostitution, and all manner of sins, but gays you stop very short in follow ups. This conditions requires decades of follow ups. Yet, many flyers are still passed around of a testimony that the person long since is living the way he should "gay". Please tell me how your way of ministering to gays will surpass these other ministries? Our you a special exception to God children so that you alone can minister gays into becoming straight? I have barely touched the tip of the ice berg concerning the effectiveness of ex-gay ministries. If gay were sin then we would have a wealth of bonified and verifiable testimony that last through the decades and not some bizarre bisexual that has a sick disposition on life to begin with plus the whole of the guilt that the Church heaps onto their shoulders so then they can be the mouthpiece for the Church to further condemn gays all the more. As for good ministries reaching out to the gay community they abound as I told you in my 1st e-mail to you. They don't condemn gays or try to change them to straight, they just administer God's love and there is a rich ministry there. Many very well educated in the best of Christian colleges and spent even decades as pastors in straight churches now are pastors and minister in gay churches ( gay churches is a misnomer because they are Christian churches no less than AOGs except most of the ministers and congregation are gay).
I do not know your heart. I am praying for you not out of
condemnation or from some super-spiritual position but as a another
sinner looking toward Christ for help and the answers.
^i^ If indeed you are looking for answers and not predisposed to the anti-gay 700 year old Church doctrine then you are on the right road. I suggest to allow God to help you. Don't act a fool and stubborn and think magically God will produce a miracle instantly in front of your eyes. If you wait for God to do that, which he will, it will be to late to avoid the pain that will follow, but if you are earnest about getting help and answers as you tell me you will/are praying for then you must act out your prayer. AOGs says when you asked God for something you must hold out your hand to receive it right? AOG says they got that from the Bible. How do you hold out your hand when praying concerning answers about gay issues? Get your phone book out look up PFLAG Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays or go to their internet site for nearest location. http://www.otago.ac.nz/qrd/orgs/PFLAG/ Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays or go to my site http://www.geocities.com/westholywood/9647 their you can find many links to lots of good places to start learning. I really suggest you go to PFLAG ask about meetings and go and sit in to learn what the results of condemning gays and what parents must do when they learn their child is going to hell without hope in God as preached by AOG and much of the Church. How can you as a pastor preach gay is sin from your pulpit without seeing the results of your preaching. The USA has say 280 million that's 28 million gays thats56 million parents not add siblings and relatives and co-workers and friends. See how badly the Church effects the life of untold 100s of millions worldwide. It just so easy to condemn from the pulpit and say gay is sin, never having to think past your nose of the consequences of your actions. Well God has. How can you know what God is doing? You don't have a inkling of what going on. How many gay newspapers have your read? God is moving round the world bring respect back to gays. Have you spent over 27 years keeping abreast of the news concerning gays from within the gay community. I rather doubt it. How do you or anyone speak with authority about facts concerning gays with hardly looking into the issue. Only research allowed is anti-gay related. In 1950 Bible translators took 2 Greek words out of the Bible and inserted and word not found in the originals. There are at least 9 Greek words that describe gays, Paul did not use them. 300 years later a person used Paul's :
733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: KJV-- abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.
^i^ for the 1st time against gays. And not until the end of the 12th century did the Church (Catholic) adopt the anti-gay doctrine. Prior no country had laws against gays and by the 14th nearly all had laws against gays and the Protestants also adopt that anti-gay doctrine. Most the Church actually condemned those that preached against gays prior to the end of the 12th century. I hope you are aware that if you had a Bible program that had lots of add ons you can asked it to give you all info on sodomites. Mine has
Nave's Topical, Nelson Bible Dictionary, Tresurary of Scripture knowledge, Strong's Dict., Vine's Expository Dict. Englishman's Concordance, and more. It bring ups these verses which I put a brief comment but the study says all mean gay is sin.
Gen 19:4-5 gang rape, murder, victims would have been angels<BR>
Judg 19:22 rarely used gang rape, murder, but victim was opposite sex.<BR>
Deut 23:17 don't be a temple prostitute
IKing 14:24 rarely used temple prostitute
I king 15:12 rarely used temple prostitute
I king 22:46 rarely used temple prostitute
II Ki 23:7 rarely used temple prostitute
Lev 18:22 acts done in worshipping other gods, not comparing loving, caring . long term relationships
Lev 20:13 acts done in worshipping other gods, not comparing loving, caring . long term relationships
Rom 1:27-28 Should be 18-32. adults turned from God, God changed them, results . visible evil behavior
1 Cor 6:9 call boy and temple prostitute, 1950 original Greek removed, meant . masturbation before 1850
1 Tim 1:10 temple prostitute<BR>
Jude 1:7 general sexual immorally of Sodom and Gomorrah with no hint of . sexual orientation
^i^ The above verse have absolutely no meaning about the normal every day lives of gay people then or now. You can't tell me your college experience to become qualified to be a pastor in the AOGs taught you anything concerning gays except in passing that the above verses condemns gays without researching the originals or historical facts or present day gays. The entire info you learned about gays in college according to several graduates I have talked to say is basically zilch. I deal in facts, Jesus is real that should right away give you a clue when a gay person says is saved and gay is not sin that maybe there is more to the picture than your pat answer that gay is sin. I appreciate your prayer. All Christian needs prayers from their brother & sisters in Christ. But pastor friend think about it. Was I born yesterday? Am I some nut case? Why am I on TV now over 12 years preaching gay is not sin and the Last days concerning the Church? Why have I been on the internet chat rooms for over 2 years being swamped with a barrage of Christians telling me what they think about gays and asking me questions. Hundreds of thousands of phone conversations on this issue with Saints. I am 50 23 as a Christian. Do you think that these 100s of 1000s aren't praying or haven't told me they would pray like you. Am I that evil that these prayers are changing me because I want to keep evil. Certainly you know there is no Bible foundation that demons or satan can stay in a person no matter what if cast out by a believer. yes, later they may return with 7 worst one, but the fact is they had to leave, this would present a dramatic behavior change for a short period at least. So explain why so many prayers have not made a divergence. How many years is needed in my kind of problem? Or is it that your prayers are missing the mark? If you truly pray God's will be done then you are praying that God continue to support and bless my ministry. However, it is not my ministry as God called me while I was not looking and brought me to this ministry that I was not seeking. This has quite a history. It is God's hour to make it clear to all that gay is not sin. My life continues to be Blessed by God in my relationship with my lover and my ministry, and my secular job. Financial needs met, crisis ministered to, physical healing when in that need. Instant reply when I call on the name of Jesus that he heard me and is concerned about my needs and is with me when I must not receive what I thought I needed or I must go through a hurt. As time go on I see my prayers for others answered in many ways. My lover of 7 years never read the Bible and is an unbeliever, he is just about through reading the Bible from the OT to the NT. He has just reached Jesus death on the Cross. Though most likely unsaved he now is almost preaching what he has learned an able to recognize something not in the Bible or hypocritic behavior of professing Christians. He even has changed some of his ways towards a Christian walk. I think this quite remarkable. Yes, God answers prayer. I will have my house paid off in 2 years just 7 years after I bought it. I own nothing and on a cash bases in any purchasing. I have savings and a super computer, my own TV program producing equipment that gets me on TV which is free. I had nothing and bankrupted but God has restored all things and more. My family loves me as is and I never had a problem ever concern my gay life until I step into public on TV and took on all manner of persecutions that many receive regularly day to day. Yet, I have peace that passeth understanding. satan has attacked me freely in many ways yet my faith is stronger than ever. God has used others to give me a Word from Him when needed. Is this the result of 100s of 1000s praying God stop me change me to straight show me the truth of the lie I live.? Or is God changing their intent into good?
^i^ If you were the friend you state you are then take a chance, ( I know you are not allowed by hierarchy of AOG) and invite me to your church's alter for camp meeting. You show concern, is your concern only e-mail deep or is it true in the faith in God through Christ Jesus our Lord? If your concern stretches out to 600 million gays take a step of faith do what most are afraid to do. They condemn from the pulpit never facing the ones they condemn, never seeing their faces as they condemn. I use this word condemn a lot as you see. You may truly belief in your heart that your intent is not to condemn, but behavior is louder than the heart and any words you say. You say you are knowledgeable in the originals, but give quick evidence that your idea of knowledge is gang rape is the same as a caring loving relationship. You would have know sodomite does not mean gay unless you can't distinguish between rape and love. If you can't tell the difference between God and gods. You don't know who Molech is either or you would have had a resource to research concerning sodomites. I ask you to do a simple thing to prove once and for all at least for yourself that is gay sin or not. If gay is not sin you are guilty of 600 million unforgiven murders. What action should God take even though every other account of your life is in order with Christ. Is this important? Do you need to check with headquarters. Headquarters doesn't even have the decency to respond. I got one email that said thanks for your email we will forward that to the proper dept for reply. I have gotten many email from AOG pastor and misters as I have the white pages for email for the AOG. Most continue in the hate gay and bash them with the Bible and the only fools are themselves for presenting their ignorance of scriptures concerning gays. You also show the lack of knowledge concerning gays and scriptures. This is not to say you are a good pastor. I bet you are a very good pastor and have very good teaching a words from the Lord. I would enjoy soaking up what God has shown you. But the gay issue sorry according to what I have read from you that you are in exact compliance with the 700 year old anti-gay Church doctrine. So what to do? You love God AOG limits you severely concerning inviting openly Christians to your church unless they come and submit to a counseling program that teaches gay is sin and that they would endeavor to become straight or celebrate. This is entirely against God's word.
1 Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. (KJV
^i^ If straights that are marriage are urged not to stop sex even for prayer as above hove then to you get away with telling virtually all gays they must never have sex again. God forbids doctrines that deny marrying and say that is doctrines of devils. With these hints can't it come to mind that is exactly what ex-gay ministry teach either become straight or never have sex again. We got a big problemo! Have you been ordered not to have sex? Do you know what it is like? Even a planned order limited sex drives humans crazy. Few be there that have something about them that sex is not desired. Some say its for God, even God accepts some of this kind not because of the no sex part but because of the heart of that person. Some stop because of loss of interest, but most don't have that problem and so anyone dictating a format for sex and say its from God is just about lying. So here I can preach all day and never change your mind, and you as close to God as you are and as well as you know God's word can't undue the facts I know, then where do we go from here? There is away. You have to go against AOG policy and hold a camp meeting at your church's alter. Here is how it works. Invite me to your church. We work out the details including transportation and lodging. Get that out of the way. Then you would have already asked your prayer warriors to fast and prayer in the effort to get rid of demons that requires fasting and prayer to come out. You decide how much time you need for this. You and me decide if one night or more is needed. First you as pastor would lead your elders and other table waiters and your congregation in what ever you as an AOG pastor and child of God would feel or believe necessary to get a hold of God. Praises, operation in the Spirit, laying on hands casting out demons/satan, claiming the Blood, sermon, people with doctorates on the Word, and what ever called for as long as you want, take a week or an hour, but like you claim (my 23 years experience in AOG shows me that AOGs know how to have camp meeting if they really want to take the time) you know how to operate in the HOLY SPIRIT. I want it plain that you will do all you know how to operate genuinely in the HOLY SPIRIT as to present publicly to your church an accurate move of God. This will be all directed to the gay issue which is long overdue in the Church to address publicly face to face with the one you accuse of sin. I will submit to your prayers and acts in the Spirit as a stand in for gays around the world. See if you can get God to show gay is sin. Don't wriggle out of it a say you can force God. God says ask and he will give it. When you are done it will be my turn alone for emphasis on this issue. I will do what I feel led of God to do, whether it be likewise as you did or just a simple few words or talk for days. In Queen Anne AOG it took less than 30 seconds to change that pastor's attitude towards me from violent to respectful. I guarantee you that you won't be the same person when done. I have a confidence put inside me from God to expect Him to move in this sort of circumstance, do you? I would also be willing to come to give account of my faith in Jesus Christ to you church with a question and answer session. I know if you hear my testimony you will see God in me to a degree that you will be baffled to the contradictory implications to your belief structure concerning gays. How can Jesus be so close to a gay person, it goes against everything you have ever been taught about gays. Jesus is with me you will see because Jesus is with you. What I expect is you will simply deny me and reject my words to hold fast to you conditioning or you would never so boldly defy headquarters. Pomona AOG's pastor was charged with 11 counts of breaking AOG policy by a new assistant pastor. This pastor was turning his church back to 1st century worship it was really neat, he was really the best AOG pastor I have known in his faith in Christ. He decided to leave the church and start a independent church, this was soon after burning the mortgage celebration. A year later I went to his new church 3000 had followed him there and he met in a high auditorium. As for the AOG church I went back there too, it was dead and shocking to see those that were the pillars staying because of position. He stood up for GOD even though he could have easily won the charges against him. He rather'd be wronged and God blessed him for it. Soon many pastor's will be making this kind of decision. What happens if God just tells some to stop by your church with a word, which will bring the end of your church if you don't heed it? Think I am mouthing this off? Soon God is going to send His servants to churches and many places to warn the Church, much of the Church will hate them even work with the gov't to kill them or arrest them. These will be able to do signs and wonders at will from God. Much of this won't be to just heal the sick or raise the dead, but to bring disasters to God's people not to destroy as such but to chastise, this will hurt, many won't make it. If your a friend then indeed you will pray and indeed you will act. Do you take your flock out to the slaughter or do you just send them out? Do you just teach or do you give on the job training to your flock? Are you looking after the welfare of your flock or just having a party singing and praising looking for his return? The Masons are going to eat your flock alive and you don't have a clue. You can watch them die like flies or begin prayers like never before. Am I a nut or am I sent? Do I prophesy to you or making up some fable? I am willing to stand in front of your congregation and take all they can dish out so I can have a few minutes with them to warn them about the coming days.
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