Gays For Jesus
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Please read this!
Homophobe does not explain!
Hi...my name is Kim and I'm from Michigan...I read your profile on Yahoo Messenger the other night but didn't chat with you! You seem like really nice person but VERY confused!!!!
What Kim is telling me that when sees the word gay what she admits ”You seem like really nice person” turns into ”but VERY confused” why because I said I am gay.
I'm a 47 year old straight, Christian woman who has been best friends with a gay man since 75'!! He's as confused as you are!!! Like I always tell him...YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE....AND YOU CAN'T MAKE IT SAY WHAT YOU WANT IT TO SAY....YOU'VE GOT TO ACCEPT IT ALL!!! IT'S ALL GOD'S WORD!!!
What Kim is telling me is being 47 she never cared enough about her gay friend go outside the box to find answers that may explain why her friend still is gay despite here often warnings.
I know you've heard anything I can say to you a million times before and I'm sure you have a million excuses just like my friend does!!!
What Kim is telling me is only her knowledge is correct and any amount and even decades of research is meaningless and not worthy of consideration no matter the credibility. Homophobes cannot accept anything out of their conditioning so if a gay person presents FACTS and History and original Hebrew word definitions it is just “excuses” to her.
You're dragging a lot of people to hell with you by telling them it's OK to be gay....
What Kim is telling me is if a gay person that has done their homework and weathered the hatred and condemnation of homophobes for decades and that has spoken with over 700,000 people and more from every corner of the world and had uncountable blessings and miracles and other straight Christian (pastors) prophesying and more and stating they see God in me at every turn. And this is just touching the tip of the iceberg of my testimony. Somehow to her it means ”You're dragging a lot of people to hell”.
the Bible says it's a sin and I believe what the Bible says! I'm not judging you or any other gay person....
What Kim is telling me is if she says ”the Bible says” then that IS what IT says period, no study, no backup, no explanation, no nothing. And she is not judging the gay person. Hmmmm if you tell a gay person he is going to hell then you are indeed judging him. But if you say to the best of my understanding it appears they will go to hell can you help me with what I do not understand then you are seeking truth and looking for answers that you can then add to your understanding comparing what you learn day by day with what you already are in understanding in.
I HAPPEN TO LOVE GAY GUYS...LESBIANS SCARE ME BUT I LOVE GAY MEN!!! LOL!!! I'VE BEEN VERY CLOSE TO A FEW OVER THE YEARS...I LIKE BEING A "FAG HAG"
What Kim is telling me is she thinks she loves, but love is a behavior. Had she real love that love would have taken time to study showing herself approved of God. Her idea of studying is only material from other homophobes. As you will see no attempt what so ever has Kim made in her email to me to show she spent LOVE time digging into the gay issue.
but no matter how good of a person they are....they're still sinning in God's eyes!!!
What Kim is telling me if you being the most decent and credible and deserving all human awards given to the those that lives have been a tremendous benefit to the world in every category that if you are gay they are still sinning as though gay is the sin and nothing else. Every human comes short of the Glory of God and sins to the day they die and each of these sins are worthy of the wages of sin and that is death. No human that ever lived or is alive can pay their own price of sin. Jesus paid out price by climbing on the Cross and died for our sins. This covers our sins so when God looks at us, as SATAN (Kim) condemns us, and God says “I see only Jesus I do not see any sin”. So KIM why are you point out peoples’ sins when you are in sin yourself?
I found this on a site and thought about you even though we've never even chatted before!
What Kim is telling me she saw the WORD “gay” and so her hatred of gays boiled over and even her friendship with a gay person she mentioned above that she had since 1975 does not prevent her from without hesitation emailing me to say nothing but condemnation. She said she saw my site; well on that page was a well displayed link to my testimony. Did she read it? No. what she did was saw the WORD gay and so in her bondage to hate emailed me this that I am responding to here.
How can you deny what the Bible says about homosexuality??
HOMOSEXUALITY (ENGAGING IN SODOMY AND LESBIANISM)
Title is proving to be a fetish hatred of KIM’s because (note I have talked with many str8 women who seem to be in some sort of bazzar connection to the lesbian name). Sodomy the word was coined in and around 900AD by Catholics in an attempt to make any sex out of the missionary position a sin. The word was invented it did not come from any Bible word or words that reflect what 900AD definition designed it to mean. What was happening in those days covers a lot of history. Sex was not a recent invention and so there is considerable history and Bible on it. Creating a word or doctrine to fit evolving customs will never make it from God’s word or a “God said it” thing. Marriage is in continual state of evolution. In the Bible you can easily track various stages of what was proper. Today’s style marriage has evolved from 12th century pagan gods and their marriage ceremonies. I go into this in other topics on my website. Sodomy the word evolved until today it has two forms one is usually heterosexual still meaning sort of not in missionary position and what similar acts in the below gay sex but with str8s , the other is almost a in place of word for the phrase “gay sex” with the implied meaning a certain style of sex. A homophobe saying “gay sex” is like saying”str8” sex love does not have to be a factor nor morality. However the homophobe (KIM) assumes “gay sex” means sex acts between males. They make this mean gay is sin and include 630 million people in the world today. Male to male sex does not mean GAY. It does not disguise between morality and immorality. So the homophobe cannot discern between rape and love. This is not possible for KIM. The meaning of homosexual is simple it is simple boy meets boy, they date, they fall in love, then they marry.
Love and marriage involves potholes along the way. The appearance of immoral behavior is sometimes very visible. It is rare that any human meets and stays with the same person till death. Almost universally today humans meet date break up marry divorce marry again sow wild oats and much more as they goes through the process of finding the person to be with. To pick out any group and say there way God hates and all will go to hell is really dumb and stupid. The world is big and custom can be quite strange, by judging marriage by your perspective is about as blind as one can be. God is not in a tiny corner in your room that you can dictate how the world or universe has to be. The Bible is not a short story about a few things. The Bible is extraordinary and you can find intense details on just about anything you can think of. You do not use evolved word to say God said.
Nowadays homosexuality seems to be everywhere. It seems almost fashionable to be homosexual or at least bisexual.
A dumb statement from blind observances. Gays are not a new things and it has always been everywhere. In the 70s I thought I was about the only gay person in the world. But then as I studied and read I learn that gays always were there. Because for almost 400 years you would not see black in white establishments does this mean only in recent time blacks seem to be everywhere? They were always there.
One does not just be gay. Fashionable? Translated to a meaning you can understand is the writer is saying there is a special snitch for gays. This means if you really study history you will find gays have a place. Without wanting to sound positive it actual is a positive statement about gays and their place in society. FACT in history in every culture you can find gays are uniquely fitted into life as some sort of binding together peace makers hard to put an exact term to a function if you were to describe the actual facts about history gone by and present day. The answer to ROMANS 1:28-32 should be staring homophobes (KIM) in the face. According to detailed Bible descriptions in those verses gays would have to be publicly seen to be evil in every aspect of their lives and their minds so incoherently maladjusted to noticeable behaviors that would restrict their ability to be hired in almost any decent line of work.
Yet real life show gays are center stage of family for resolving matters, they are employers’ best workers, they are society’s health care protectors in all fields, and the list can go on forever. So easy to rid out of homophobe doctrines against gays is the thought that God made gays all the more evil because they are gay.
Bisexuals often are the scapegoat. So often homophobe refer bisexual are examples of gays. Bisexual have even a bigger hedge to jump over because they by nature of the name bisexual infers both sexes and so a perpetual more than one partner or a switching around constantly. Real life again teaches truth in many ways. Real life forces you to go back to the Bible and to the study hall to try to find out why. Using the term bisexual when discussing gays is like saying a peach is the same as plum. First divide orientations into their appropriate groups then discuss them pertaining to their group. Otherwise you toss in a can of worms to any discussion on gays. Gays should not have to deal with your mixing in anything they don’t like and call it “gays” For details in specific orientation I talk about that in other topics on my website.
If you say anything is wrong with homosexual behavior, people will label you homophobic or say that you are judgmental.
If you say anything wrong with gays and you do not explain how you got our statement then yes you are a homophobe with your only intent is to condemn all gays with no possible door open so you could listen and learn. You do judge when you tell someone God says and you do not explain how you get God to say.
There are so-called gay pride parades, gay pride rainbow stickers and license plate frames, TV shows with homosexual characters.
Homophobes just can’t say anything good, they hesitate, even is saying “gay pride parade” Kim has to add “so called”. Hey wake up it is a “gay pride parade” who cares if you hate that name. Rainbow is not gay symbol other than those gays wanting to associate with the larger issues of RACE. Rainbow is for the different races fighting racist. But homophobe do often include minorities into the hate rhetoric towards gays. Guess all black shows should be banned or revert back to the 50s and 60s style, after all that persecuted groups of people has no right to get anything that takes them into equal human status. Just because your hatred makes you want gays to remain hidden will never make those you persecute not fight back.
The world has even come up with some wonderful sounding terms for the people who participate in this activity. "Alternate lifestyle," "Life partners." Yes, the world will tell you that homosexuality is totally normal and something to be proud of.
The “world” also came up with ever sounding better (or attempted to sound better) words for black. Because persecuted groups fighting for rights and sometime getting them and in the process change or invent words and phrases that gets terms you loved to make them objects of your hatred. In the military troops are taught that the enemy is not human so give names making them objects of scorn. This way you can aim your rifle and kill them since they are not human. We know very well Germans and Japanese and any country a war that was every fought that there are mommies and daddies and brothers and sisters and the grocery store and the school and the church and all the things you know in daily life that make you feel you are a decent person. Why hate a Chinese person because it is a communist country? We may have to go to war for our very lives, but this does not take away people’s humanness. Let’s instead say we are fighting dads and moms and we are killing them so their kids are orphans. Yes sometime we have to fight wars and kill people, but let never make people objects so we can kill them without conscious. So if the world says something it is satan speaking? Sorry remember the government is on WHOSE shoulders? Do not also judge all gays as having the same beliefs and are all part of the same ideals. Gays are a varied as there are numbers of people in the world. Because you see a lot of a certain group’s efforts does not put all gays into their camp. Personally some new phrase is mis-representive and lots do not agree. Alternative is stupid. You live who you are, alternative sounds like a choice. I could choose to be a hippy I suppose (but that is not for me at all) so perhaps some alternative style exists like living a country western style, this is an age gone by but many love it and chose to live it. However they are still gay or str8, this was not an alternative. The WORLD WHAT? Last check it is still really hard to get enough votes to pass major legislation. But it is closing down on 50% so the world is not saying ”totally normal and something to be proud of”
But God's Word tells us something totally different about homosexual behavior. And no matter what the world says about homosexuality or how "open minded" people of this earth become, God has not changed in how He feels about men lying with men, and women lying with women. So if you have traded in God's standards of living and begun to believe what this world tells you, look out!
Again, the world is changing, but far from “the world tells us” statement implies. “Open minded”, so what is implied here on scientists should not be open minded, they should not question what the influentials say or past beliefs. We should be closed minded, or is being implied just on the topic of gays? “But God’s Word” this is the statement of a lifetime and of a millennia. So easy to say “God said it” you do not have to explain anything, Hey God said it what else is there. What is here is the homophobes’ opinion and conditioning that translates a Bible phrase to match their opinion and conditioning.
To say “God says it” you have to back up your mouth with the facts showing God said it. If God said it then it is Bible fact and so Bible will say it. And if the Bible says it is will stand the test of time on language and real life and science fact and testimony. And yes God has not changed and neither has the original language. We got the original Hebrew language (not the original writings, actual original of the writing exist today) so we can use the original ancient Greek dictionary. A sodomite means what it meant in Paul’s day and in Moses’ day. No evolution of words can be part of the Bible at all. It is that ancient language or none. So to say God said it means what word, phrase, or verse you say God said is and how do you get gays into that verse. After all sodomites generally are hard to come by in modern society that is an everyday occurrence and common enough to understand what it is. Christian and Jews did their best to rid the countries of sodomites. Well they did very very poorly if sodomites were gays. However, we got the record; Paul toured that famous temple before writing Romans. 1000 temple prostitutes there when he toured it. 6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.
6942 qadash (kaw-dash'); a primitive root; to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): KJV-- appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied oneself,), X wholly. 6943 Qedesh (keh'-desh); from 6942; a sanctum; Kedesh, the name of four places in Palestine: KJV-- Kedesh.
This is the key word in 7 of the 14 verses people use to say gay is sin.
You cannot put your definition to Hebrew. You have to use the actual definition in Moses’ day. Simply explained is Leviticus 18 and 20 say “a practicing str8 man” should not go to “male temple prostitutes” it is acts done worshipping other gods and I am a jealous God. Nobody traded God’s standards; Your hatred has blinded you. No verse condemns gays. There is a specific history on when and how and why the antigay doctrine came to your belief structure. It began 700 yrs ago and you cannot change history nor change God.
And by writing this paper, I do not mean to single out or condemn homosexuals just because of their lifestyle. All of God's laws that have been broken, whatever the sin, be it the sin of lust or the sin of lying, will be judged and answered for when a person faces God on Judgment Day. I do not believe that I am more righteous just because my sins might be different.
Homophobic cop out. Gay is another word for sin so all sin verses can be applied automatically with no explanation other than. So easy heap all gays into sin lists. 90% of sermons seem to have a need to forget the millions; if not billions of sins and ignore those most of the time other than a generation term “sins” and put homosexual as the main example of sin. Funny the assumption should be most of their congregation is str8 so why does gays have to be pushed down their throats. Keep an eye and ear open just so common gays are condemned in most preaching (at least in the USA). LIFESTYLE??? There are 6.3 billion life styles in the world, there are some major groupings. Some people as I mentioned above life a country western style. Some are golfers and bikers, some madly into sports, some art world, so many many general lifestyle groups. But all these life styles are not related to sexual orientation. Gays are in about as many groups as str8s and about all gay groups str8 also have their groups on the theme for their lifestyle. Orientation is not a life style. My life style is married to my lover, both of us work, I have my ministry too. We eat sleep do household work and go to the restaurants you go to. I like occasion going up to the mountains, I can go on with my life style that I bet will fit a lot of you. How do you get Gay lifestyle? So you means SEX SEX SEX SEX that is your brains function, you are bound in the bondage of SEX thinking. Everything to you is SEX. So gay peoples’ lifestyle is SEX with same sex. You know nothing else. You block yourself from your own words. So we should say str8 lifestyle is SEX SEX SEX str8 SEX and nothing but STR8 SEX. Sorry I am inclined to believe there is much more to being str8 that 24 hour sex machine, though I am 100% certain str8s are kings and queens of sexual immorality and gays could never catch up with str8s., It is rare for a str8 to say out a sack over the head of a guy then I don’t I will have sex with him. But it is not that uncommon to hear str8 men say put a sack over a woman’s head then sex any time. Also a really strange common desire that is a dime a dozen is the desire to have two lesbians for sex at the same time. Seems pretty dumb, lesbians are not bisexuals; lesbians want same sex sex relationships. Bisexual women may go for a str8 man’s fancy.
None are righteous, dumb to bring that phrase up. Your best righteousness is as filthy rags to God. This additional comment only is saying you are putting yourself above others, but justifying it by making it sound like it is a simple matter that though your sins are in a decent category you will admit you are not all that righteous, but not far from it.
Christ said that you are either for Him or against Him. You cannot pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you like and then ignore the parts that don't fit your lifestyle.
What Kim is telling me she can pick the parts she likes and ignore what she does not like. The Bible covers a lot of territory. Jesus is not George Bush. Jesus is a personal God who comes in and sups with those that believe.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (KJV)
You are either for or against Bush. Jesus comes into a person and there remains tell that person dies and leave the body. Then Jesus takes care of that person while they wait for those that remain and are alive to come up thither. So a person has a walk with Jesus and no homophobe can do or say anything to make that walk disappear. This is called testimony. Ex-gays have testimony. I am an expert on ex-gays I did my homework I talked to 1000s and many many hundreds of ex-gays leaders and researched hundreds of ex-gay ministries, so I know their testimonies and that their walk show they did not change and Jesus did not ask to change and did not change them. But every gay Christian has their walk with Jesus and it is not unlike in many ways as to str8s walking with Christ. Often though faith is a bit stronger in that they have to put up with homophobic hatred from people like KIM.
Homophobes pick verses then say it says gay is sin and somehow they do not think they need to explain how they got gays into that verse. How do you get a man that is in love with another man whom he met one day then dated then fell in love then married to be a carbon copy of every boy, every grandpa, every male, all the people in 2 cities coming to rape to death 2 angels to mean gay is sin. Seems to me picking and choosing verses to fit wishes is what homophobes do best.
Left out are what parts are left out and what parts are picked.
1. WE BELIEVE...The Scriptures are Inspired by God and declare His design and plan for mankind.
2. WE BELIEVE...There is only One True God–revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).
3. WE BELIEVE...In the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. As God's son Jesus was both human and divine.
4. WE BELIEVE...though originally good, Man Willingly Fell to Sin–ushering evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.
5. WE BELIEVE...Every Person Can Have Restored Fellowship with God Through 'Salvation' (accepting Christ's offer of forgiveness for sin).
6. WE BELIEVE...and practice two ordinances—(1) Water Baptism by Immersion after repenting of one's sins and receiving Christ's gift of salvation, and (2) Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper) as a symbolic remembrance of Christ's suffering and death for our salvation.
7. WE BELIEVE...the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a Special Experience Following Salvation that empowers believers for witnessing and effective service, just as it did in New Testament times.
8. WE BELIEVE... The Initial Physical Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is ‘Speaking in Tongues,’ as experienced on the Day of Pentecost and referenced throughout Acts and the Epistles.
9. WE BELIEVE...Sanctification Initially Occurs at Salvation and is not only a declaration that a believer is holy, but also a progressive lifelong process of separating from evil as believers continually draw closer to God and become more Christlike.
10. WE BELIEVE...The Church has a Mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin. We believe 'the Church' is the Body of Christ and consists of the people who, throughout time, have accepted God's offer of redemption (regardless of religious denomination) through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.
11. WE BELIEVE...A Divinely Called and Scripturally Ordained Leadership Ministry Serves the Church. The Bible teaches that each of us under leadership must commit ourselves to reach others for Christ, to worship Him with other believers, and to build up or edify the body of believers–the Church.
12. WE BELIEVE...Divine Healing of the Sick is a Privilege for Christians Today and is provided for in Christ's atonement (His sacrificial death on the cross for our sins).
13. WE BELIEVE...in The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever.
14. WE BELIEVE...in The Millennial Reign of Christ when Jesus returns with His saints at His second coming and begins His benevolent rule over earth for 1,000 years. This millennial reign will bring the salvation of national Israel and the establishment of universal peace.
15. WE BELIEVE...A Final Judgment Will Take Place for those who have rejected Christ. They will be judged for their sin and consigned to eternal punishment in a punishing lake of fire.
16. WE BELIEVE...and look forward to the perfect New Heavens and a New Earth that Christ is preparing for all people, of all time, who have accepted Him. We will live and dwell with Him there forever following His millennial reign on Earth. 'And so shall we forever be with the Lord!'
God will give you the strength that you need to overcome your homosexual desires,
What Kim is telling me is that in the world there should be vast numbers of ex-gays, with great testimonies of deliverances with decades of follow up showing that Jesus indeed delivered or changed the gay person. This simple statement is all too common for homophobes never even a hint to back up their information. If Jesus delivers then the delivered are real people and can be interviewed. Because of the vast interests in gays as the most common sin word amongst so many Christians and with many ex-gay ministries it should be easy to confirm deliverances.
I have mention I know something about ex-gay movement. It started with Exodus International right next door to Disney in California at Melody land in 1972. Other churches did sort of had some tid bits of some ministry to try to get gays delivered but it was not any real outreach, almost more like counseling one on one or to send the gay person to counseling. So 2000 years hardly much a concern for Christians to get gays changed to str8. But wow today it is like a main theme, got to turn str8 or go to hell or something in the line of at least don’t ever have sex again.
Well I did not accept Jesus on a whim, Truth was extremely my highest ideal God had to be truth for me to accept him, as soon as I told God this it took 30 days for me to be praying that sinner’s prayer. Of course when gays come to Christ especial in the early 70s with no gay support groups at all coming to Christ meant having to lay this on the alter for Jesus to deal with. I had to add to my prayer what no str8 person would have a concept of even though gays were not even mentioned in that service in any shape of form. The prayer was simple something like this:
God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Christ died on the Cross for me, that God rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. By faith I now receive the Lord Jesus Christ into my heart as my Lord and my Savior; trusting Him for the salvation of my soul. Help me Lord to do thy will each day. In Jesus
I had to consider my lover sitting in the phew not 5 feet behind me seeing me pray this prayer with some 100 other people in that TBN rally. I had to add the comment I do indeed mean what I am praying and I do indeed now believe in you so if gay is really sin like the church is saying then I will change (as though that were possible). I gave God a condition, I said I said I would accept you if you are truth. Well here I am accepting you meaning you are truth, therefore, I love true beyond measure if gay is sin I will certainly abide by that, but this is asking me to tell me lover whom loves me dearly and I love him dearly, such a wonderful love we had. I would leave him. But not on the whim of those that say gay is sin. Christians just do not speak well of gays and 90% of their talk is lies about real gays. God is not a lie. How can lies equal truth. So I ask God to show me the truth about gays. My first miracle was after reading the book of John hand out I wanted a Bible. Broke as I was I had $4.58 to my name. Unemployed at the time, back from an attempt to relocate in northern California. I said to God I have this amount and all I know is K-mart had a book department. Let there be a Bible I can buy, of course there was one I asked, but being just born again I went and sure enough $4.57 after applied tax and I had a red letter KJV Bible with I read cover to cover.
Anyway, over the next 3 decades I always investigate and research things for truth content and just it is fabulously interesting and amazing. So I learned in Christian book store where absolutely nothing is positive about gays and there just was no information that says gay is sin either. You see a gay person that is loving someone is not in vile lust and probably in the orgies of Romans 1:26-27 and gays completely do not behave as 28-32 describes. Concerning ex-gays as Kim implies has to happen when Jesus gives you strength to overcome. To even mention ex-gays or deliverance or overcoming means you enter a world of absolute facts. These terms implies you were and now you are not. Now being gay then becoming str8 or even a more disgusting demand of homophobes to live never having sex again would leave easily traceable tracks. So Kim would have needed to investigate all the ex-gay ministries and their clients into the decades after the fact.
I have done this and now have a history of 34 years dealing with ex-gay ministries in some fashion and nearly daily with those claiming to be ex-gay or have already found out God didn’t change them. I have read 100s of testimonies of ex-gay leaders 99% have childhood background in usually Catholic strict homes or strict religious parents affirming often hatreds against gays. When these came to a point of getting closer to Jesus it is using in a setting where they told some pastor who then put them in a program teaching anti-gay doctrine. Often they are sent to and ex-gay ministry and often in less than a year they are leaders in that ministry. Still having nearly no Bible education. Many ex-gay leaders are caught in scandal having sex with a guy and going to gay bars.
Exodus International was the beginning of ex-gay ministries. Prior to this pastors counseled gays in antigay doctrine and sent them to therapy. Exodus founders became lovers and went across the nation preaching they were wrong to in their leadership as founders of Exodus.
I have researched over 200 ex-gay ministries and interviewed in person many. I have the operating process of some ex-gay ministries and even on for Pentecostal ex-gay ministry. This was a big concern because I sort of expected involvement of the Holy Spirit and operations in the Holy Spirit. I was shocked to learn (I personally confronted this groups and the Holy Spirit was with me. The pastor looked as if he would bodily toss me out of his church, he had a guest ex-gay ministry for a few day, I was recording a TV program on it) An argument began and I knew I had no hope but this was what could be expected. I had decided that should I lose it I would operate in the Holy Spirit. So I did, I opened my arms in love and the Holy Spirit drew the Pastor and the ex-gay ministry leader into my arm so I could hug them in love. I did nothing, thys flowed into my arm and did not resist. I began praying in tongues, it almost eased them but then the ex-gay ministry ask a question about anal sex (stupid but I was focused on the Pastor) the ex-gay minister disappeared and the Pastor still red in the face with anger could not resist the Holy Spirit putting him back into my arms for more of my love and tongues praying. Suddenly that pastor changed. He immediately began to respect me and opened his church up to me to finish un-hindered with my production for my TV program. He offered his recording of the service as well. Personal testimony of a walk with Jesus is something KIM has to deal with but refuses as all homophobes reject allowing gays to speak giving account of their faith in Jesus Christ. Kim back up your statement ”you need to overcome”
but you have to love the Lord enough to turn from that sin. You cannot have it both ways. "If we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,
What Kim is telling me are gays know gay is sin but continue to be gay anyway. What Kim does not say is how she comes to think gay is sin in the first place and explain how she gets gays into the Bible so she can says “it’s in the Bible”. There are 14 verses that are in the anti-gay doctrine that is 700 years old. A cop out is homophobes saying the Bible is older than 700 years being stupid. The doctrine was invented using the Bible’s verses that have some connection to male to male sex. Male to male sex is not how you define gays. Gays are “boy meets boy, they date, they fall in love, and then they marry”. This like str8s has many obstacles along the ways but these obstacles are not grounds for declaring an orientation sin. Str8s almost every str8 does not simply meet and marry without sex first and mate. On occasion customs not related to the Bible or some person actually does not have sex before marriage and married the first person they dated. This is not the norm and if you are telling the masses your sex rule ideas and say it is Bible you got a lot of Bible to talk about. King David had 700 sex partners but when he was losing his kingdom to his evil son his staff brought a minor to him for sex pleasure so he would feel better. She was not his wife nor his concubine, just a teenage girl. David refused, but not on sin grounds. He said he is too sick to his stomach to enjoy sex while his country goes down the tube. God or any prophet never said a word at the possible sexual immorality issue. Only Christians love condemning people that are in relationship they don’t think God wants. I do not condone giving a teenager to George Bush when he is moody and needs uplifting, but the point is KIM how do you get things to be sin so you can say "If we sin willfully”? Below are the possible verses that are well established, no Christian can add to these verses because there are none more. Adding vague sin verses as an add in trying to make gay all the more sin is not appropriate unless you already determined as fact that gay is sin in the first place and this you never do.
Gen 19:4-5 gang rape, murder, and victims would have been angels
Judg 19:22 rarely used gang rape, murder, but victim was opposite sex.
Deut 23:17 don't be a male temple prostitute
IKing 14:24 rarely used male temple prostitute
IKing 15:12 rarely used male temple prostitute
IKing 22:46 rarely used male temple prostitute
II Ki 23:7 rarely used male temple prostitute
Lev 18:22 acts done in worshipping other gods, not comparing loving, caring, long term relationships, woman is a likely adulteress and Hebrew for the first man here is “practicing str8 man”
Lev 20:13 acts done in worshipping other gods, not comparing loving, caring , long term relationships, woman is a likely adulteress and Hebrew for the first man here is “practicing str8 man”
Rom 1:27-28 Should be 18-32. adults turned from God, God changed them, results visible evil behavior, FACT real gays behave opposite 28-32
1 Cor 6:9 call boy and male temple prostitute, 1950 original Greek removed, meant masturbation before 1850
1 Tim 1:10 male temple prostitute
Jude 1:7 general sexual immorally of Sodom and Gomorrah with no hint of sexual orientation except a “ordinary male prostitute that is 90% likely to be a prostitute for women”
Note: Gen 22.2 Rib often used to say God made Adam and Eve Not Adam and Steve, Hebrew word means CELL from that Rib “Steve was in the DNA”
So what is expected is KIM must explain how she got any of these verses to be talking about real gays.
there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Hebrews 10:26-27).
What Kim is telling me is gays have no hope in God. In the past white Christians allowed blacks to be saved and go to heaven, but did not allow them to have preachers and banned whites from teaching blacks to read. Homophobes goes further they banned gays altogether from Heaven. Killing both their bodies and their eternal souls.
You have read the truth. Are you going to continue willfully sinning?
What Kim is telling me is gays know the 14 verses says gay is sin but willfully disobey God. But Kim will never ever explain how she got these verses to be talking about real gays.
With that said, in this paper, I will use Bible verses to answer frequently asked questions about homosexuality. Here are the topics that will be covered:
The writers says he will explain the verses used to condemn gays. I will say briefly something then refer you to a link that details it and also in my WebPages I cover these topics many times and on my weekly TV programs which I have uploaded to my website
(1) Is homosexuality a sin?
(2) How does the Bible define homosexuality?
(3)Why is homosexuality a sin?
(4) Do genetics cause homosexuality?
(5) Can someone practice homosexuality and still love Christ?
Just as your body gets old and begins to deteriorate, the standards of this world are deteriorating every day. But God's Word has not and will not change! Let's see what the Bible says on this issue.
The writers says things are deteriorating however the FACT is the world is preparing for the return of Jesus Christ and so things set at the beginning of time are taking place. Anti-christ must come to power and there must be a one world government. What the Bible actually says is we see today this taking place. The writer is assuming the Bible said gay is sin and this is how he will prove it.
Yes, homosexuality is a sin. Leviticus 18:22 reads, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." That is stated as plainly and clearly as you can get. The Bible commands us that we are not to have intercourse with people of our same sex. It is not only a sexual sin, but it is an abomination (something that is impure and illicit in God's eyes).
The writers says it is simple. This is the typical mentality of all homophobes is that it is son simple. Womankind is specific and adulteress woman at best. Abomination is specific has to be an act done to known ancient gods. Man means "practicing str8 man. SIMPLE? Hardly! "v'es zaachaar lo tishkav mishk'vey ishaw to'eyvaa hi." ç click for details on the actual verse from the ancient Hebrew. More detail èLeviticus
The verse does not say that homosexuality is okay if you are in a loving, committed relationship. It states that you shall not do it, period! We find a similar verse in Leviticus 20:13. It reads, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
The writers says the verse doesn't say so then why is he forcing it to say it includes loving caring relationships. Same links as above for details. This verse adds "they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." now again ancient times is a done deal so no adding or guessing or wishing here. This is 2007 and history does not record ancient Jews or any Christian ever invoking Leviticus to kill gays. Also the method is very very specific. you can not just hope someone kills them. You the accuser will also be the executioner. And you will and must stone them to death. You see it is not simple it is complex when you say God said. You can not take out of the Bible parts you do not want to use. Leviticus was a very very specific story and Hebrew men were really going to male temple prostitutes as God was leading them to the Promise Land.
The earliest account of homosexuals can be found in the book of Genesis, Chapter 19. The place was the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah. Similar to our time today, Sodom and Gomorrah were places where all kinds of sexual habits were practiced. The people of that place had turned their backs on God's laws and did whatever their wicked minds told them to do. God eventually destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their wicked ways.
The writers says these towns were homosexual. Similar to our time. is the writer saying towns are full of gang raping gays or is he saying much sexual immorality is going on implying str8s? So simply explanation is not above. Genisis These cities were not Christian (people of God) and there are many facts concern these cities. Jasher 19 also tells the story and this Jasher was strongly considered to be Bible Very descriptive details on behaviors are shown. Gays just do not behave this way. You just can not condemn gays because of murderous gang raping described in the Bible and other sources.
The verses above from Leviticus are in a section of the Bible that lists immoral acts and the penalties for them. Homosexual activities are listed right alongside other immoral acts such as having sex with animals, incestuous relationships, adultery, etc.
The writers says like so many homophobes that gays are in the same category as sex with animals. A group of Oregon homophobes once was trying to get a law in Seattle and they were getting signatures. This law would also hurt al minorities, but it would put gays in a class with sex with animals. These Christian folk turn over a flap so signers could not read the whole law they were signing. This became infamous. The list of laws in Leviticus includes many things we take for granted today and do not consider sin at all. Leviticus specifically in 18 and in 20 says Egypt and Canaan were doing things to other gods and so my people do not do these tings or I will spew you out of my mouth. Can't pick and choose here. So you have to study and learn the Bible covers a lot and history covers a lot and so if huge numbers of Christians don't seem to be obeying then maybe you got it wrong somewhere. God did not order people to do what is impossible and it is impossible to do what so many Christians say. They love to pick and choose but hate to think they have to also abide by their mouth's command to repent of the sins they evoke by using Leviticus as an example.
God does not say that this behavior is something that you should have "gay pride" about. God calls it a sexual sin and says that because of such practices, the nations in the land were being cast out. Leviticus 18:24, 30 reads, "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."
The writers says assume gay is sin and so there fore you can say Defile not ye yourselves. This command is a broad command and cover many topics and so the writer must himself abide therein. This is not possible. Jesus had to pay the price so the write can live. Gay pride is a fetish of the writer because he cannot see that gay pride is a name given to an event that happened in 1969. Police vice squad raided a bar that was a hang out for transvestites. This bar had shows put on for entertainment of bar patrons. This was not a church and though some may have been Christian it was a secular bar. Like str8s people go to bars to drink and have fun. Lots of people do not go to bars at all. This secular group of transvestites were fed up with the vice squad so resisted them. This standing up to the vice squad began a years celebration as it began a movement to stand up for civil rights. Many pride parades exist in the world today and throughout history from about every groups you can think of.
So saying gay pride by this the writer is saying I hate gays so it is sick for them to have such a parade. Nothing factual or anything presented based on research is given by the writer. The Hebrews were command to kill every thing that moved in their new home, but they did not. And often Hebrew men took foreign women to be their wives and concubines. The story is interesting and in detail and very complex. It could confuse a Christians as to why so much disobedience and can't God control his own people and all this with no hint gays were involved. Only homophobes try to insert gays into to picture making gays look so evil when the actual picture they paint is about the constant disobedience to God. We today are in the 4th level of disobedience to God in Lev 26. As you read this chapter you wonder why God puts up with his people. Why aren't you looking at the whole picture to find that soon retribution will come on you for your disobedience. Do you think your denial of disobedience will make the Bible go away when it says it is about to send such things onto the Church as never happened before for its disobedience.
Are you going to believe the world and continue thinking that homosexuality is perfectly okay, or are you going to believe the One who created you?
The writers says that the world is a liar and it is the worst source of truth, yet history shows Christians fought every step of the way the world's truth later finally to discover many of the world's truth were of God and very Bible. The Church has been incredible wrong many times. martin Luther and his 95 point thesis is an example how one man defied the church and wrote papers that almost all theologians believe to be true. The word said we can go to the Moon and to go to the moon means something has to be right about what the world said. Physics is world (yet the Bible does say God made it so) and hard to find a Christian that does not accept physics. The world records life. Scribes Hebrew or other because courts and archives completely secular are recorded from the world and these can be searched and studied and proven right or wrong or remain mysteries. Most Bible scholars use the world's documentation to proven points they speak on in sermons. 630 million gays and each has a life many are Christian. World is not satan the world is God's Creation. satan is given permission to misuse many things.
People in our generation are as bad as if not worse than the people from Sodom and Gomorrah. People are trading in God's laws and making up their own rules and worshipping the god of self by doing whatever they want to do instead of doing the things that God says are right. But God will not force His righteous truths on you. If you want to practice immorality by taking part in homosexuality, God will not stop you from sinking lower and lower in your perversion. But ultimately there will be a price to pay if you do not turn from your sin and seek God.
The writers says gay is like cocaine the more you use it the more your life is destroyed. Like any drug. Fun at first then addition then loss of job and family and finally into the gutter and health fades away. Crime becomes the only result. Now lets look at real gays. I have been married to my lover for 18 years. I have work at my new job for 3 years after my old job that I was manager was bought out and moved to another state. From the lowest position I am now often running a store with over 150 people. I am 60 years old so when does "sinking lower and lower in your perversion" begin? Now review 630 million gays in the world today. Well hey they are still gay but "sinking lower and lower in your perversion" what do you mean? For they seem well adjusted and usually found a mate as would any str8 and live like any str8 would live. Also they usually are better off and are in a more helping society roll on average than their str8 counter part. You see here that homophobes have to just state gays are bad, they will never back up this statement. About the only what to get to the ultimately stage is to die and see where these gays ended up. So far this is not something that has happens so the writer is guessing. But the Christian gay person has Jesus as a confirmation daily in their lives. and your got all sorts of promises in the Bible from God that if you believe you will be saved and that once you believe he will never forsake you. Homophobes avoid the whole picture they wear blinders and not seeing the massive amount of information available on all topics in the Bible and in the "world".
Let's read what the Bible says about homosexual behavior and see how God feels when we turn our backs on His laws and embrace an "anything goes" attitude:
The writers says lets read, and that is all the writer will do is read a verse then revert to conditioning to say see it is so simple.
Romans 1:24-28, "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves, who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly (shameful), and receiving in themselves the recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient."
The writers says 24-28 when it is 18-32. 18 - 23 describes str8 adults that turned from GOD to gods. So you have a THEY them their people. he start by saying God gave them over. This cannot mean anything else but that this was the time they became gay or at least had their first sex with the same sex. Now what we have in people is behaviors and behaviors are very very distinct and are well known and generally the best to the worst behavior sexually is very understandable to all humans whether they participate of not in the specific act. A str8 man knows about if a man forces sex on a woman and cause her great harm that this is not a husband and wife making intimate romantic love together. All people know if you fill a room with people and they all took their close off and had sex all night long with everybody together probably drinking and drugging and usably would be in such places that this is called a orgy and is not even close to a couple in love dating and even having intimate sex even if they are not married yet. Lust, vile affections burned in lust, these are words that describe behaviors and so you can see for yourself if someone is or is not doing this behavior. Because a gay person is gay when they make love like you make love with whom you love and you are saying God loves you making love because you believe you are making love in God will. You say to yourself I love this person and I am married or will marry. You see your brothers and sisters fall in love and you know you mommy and daddy got married because they love each other. Tell me why you change this behavior that you know so well of its affection and romance and love and so forth that this kind of love suddenly if a gay couple does it as you are doing it in the same live you do it in and the same motives and the same desires and the same everything you do how does your behavior become the burned in lust and vile affections in the verses you evoked to say this is gay behavior?
Now, there is Greek words here also and they means very specific things to make this be about gays it means gays would have to have been str8 (God changed them after all in 24-25) and they would have had to have ha str8 sex and loved it intently before suddenly choosing to go for gay sex. Of course real gays did not give God up and they were already gay and they never had or liked str8 sex to begin with. So by actual GREEK words (even the English really does not come close to gay behavior) nature and natural mean seed and instinct. If you are str8 and you start gay stuff then you go against your nature, but if you are gay and change to str8 you went against your nature, this is why ex-gay ministries don't work even with bisexuals trying to live only the str8 part. Finally, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient." 630 million gays in the world and thier lives are opposite 28 - 32. A homophobe can make statements but cannot back up those statement with real gays behaving as their statement demands.
Here the Bible shows us that homosexuality is defined as something that is unclean, a dishonoring of the body, a vile passion, something that is against nature and unnatural, shameful, something that occurs when you have a mind that has sunken to a place away from God. It is an act that people engage in when they do not retain God in their knowledge and when they have changed the truth of God for a lie.
The writers says unclean means gay. The writer hates gays and has hated them for so long he has no idea why so it is fun to say God agrees with his hate. 630 million gays it is quite natural and evidence is turning into fact quickly from every corner. I hate eating liver with a passion. I will immediately throw up if i eat it. I know liver is actually good for you (because they is what THEY say) Should I condemn liver? Because sex acts make some people sick does not make it shameful or unnatural. Stating against nature show ignorance. It means you have to call an extra ordinary amount of research and facts down the tube and somehow elevating yourself to smarter than those that spent lifetime in a lab and research conditions with the wealth of human history at their finger tips. You may disagree but yuo cannot say your belief is correct and if you use Bible as your proof source then you also bring onto your self al the study and research done through out Christianity and Jewish history to bare. Subjects as vast as human sexuality needs a good background of the many aspects of it inside and outside of Christianity and the Bible. Christians for 1000 years had sex with their wives to make babies, sex for love and pleasure was forbidden. Men were legally allowed to have concubines and mistresses up to the 11th century.
Gay Christians love God and Jesus and at no time did they ever give that up (other than typical human traits that there are always some that do turn their backs on Jesus for a myriad of reasons). True into a lie? You means like as in making a sodomite to mean gay when the ancient Hebrew says it means male temple prostitute? Sounds more like homophobes changing the Bible to fit their wishes. in 1948 two Greek words were removed for the Bible and a word that did exist (about 9 ways to say gays in ancient Greek) was inserted. So finally the word homosexual can be in the Bible at the delight of homophobes, however, the Greek is still the Bible not a modern version.
6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e.
(technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry:
KJV-- sodomite, unclean.
6942 qadash (kaw-dash'); a primitive root; to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): KJV-- appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied oneself,), X wholly. 6943 Qedesh (keh'-desh); from 6942; a sanctum; Kedesh, the name of four places in Palestine: KJV-- Kedesh.
This is the key word in 7 of the 14 verses people use to say gay is sin.
Let's start with the question what is sin? Sin is when we know that something is against the law and will of God and we continue to practice it anyway. We have already read that according to the law of God, homosexual behavior is a sin. It is an unnatural practice. It is an abomination in God's eyes. It is against God's natural order.
The writers says since he established the assumption gay is sin he can now go on not having to prove what he never proved anyway, but now he does not have to talk about gay being sin
God created men to be husbands of wives, and women to be wives of husbands. That is God's natural order. When God sought to make a suitable mate for man, He created woman. Genesis 2:24-25 shows us this when referring to the first husband and wife, Adam and Eve. It reads, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
The writers says marriage as we know it today always was this way. Genesis 2:23 Well marriage has changed and intensely in the 12th century. Marriage is an evolutionary process over 1000s of years and god does not condemn it. It is like God just goes with the times on this one. In the Garden sex with brothers and sisters was the only thing possible. after enough babies grew up it could advance to cousins. Not much talked about on this during the first 1000 years. After Noah's arc got on dry land there were 4 families. Noah is not reported to have had more kids. So there were 3 families so at this time marriage was with cousins. Tower of Babel zapped and when things settled down we had to get to Abraham so marriage was undefined till then. zap 12 kids and so 12 tribes now the law of marriage in your tribe. Hmm well you could get a foreign woman and so the boys all had to marry foreign women to start after they had babies foreign women was always legal game. But the rule was once there were enough people to go to relatives for spouses. Already established was slaves can be baby makers and multiple wives were common. The name of the game was the Hebrew man was to make babies the more the better. Famous Bible patriarchs could have upwards to over 1000 wives and concubines. But well established was wives had to be in the tribe if you were to have l much legitimacy.
Most marriages were arranged by husbands for the most profits to be gained in the deal. Joseph and Mary's marriage was arranged long time before and when Joseph married Mary Mary was 14 years old and Mary was 13 when she became pregnant with Jesus.
In the 12th century so many many pagans became Christians that with them they brought marriage rituals of their fertility gods and goddesses. So remember when you are standing at the alter the pastor is the priest intermediator between the couple and the fertility god. Then the receptions we love is from the ceremonies to the gods for the marriage. This all became so popular because now you can choose who you want to marry, parents got the boot from the choice. It did not take long till this idea of dating and marrying became thought to be Christian in origins.
From the get go as soon as they were kicked out of the Garden a curse from God was put on the woman that the man would treat her as a second class citizen and she would have pain in child birth. The man got a curse that from then on he would have to work hard to get food on the table. It is not simple to say marriage as though it is magically as it is today and ordained of God. Marriage can evolve and God does not particularly care much so long as some basics are followed. What God joins together verse does not state it is specific, it says in no uncertain terms if God joined it together you should not try to separate it. I guarantee you God joins gay couples together in his blessing and full will and full love of them.
And Ephesians 5:28,33, "So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself."
The only sexual relationships that have God's blessing are that of a husband and wife. Any sexual relationship that is outside of this is a sin. And homosexuality is labeled a sin and an abomination.
The writers says because a speaker comes to a auditorium that hold 15,000 people that the Speak should address every group and every person according to their place in life. Sorry God created speaking rules. A speaker including God when speaking to the masses will speak generally on topics. Minorities also have a built in God design feature the ability to understand they are a minority in the meeting hall and they can apply what is spoken to themselves adjusting "all" to them. This is a no brainer for speakers. Sometime some groups will be mentioned but to take time to cover 6.3 billion people is not possible. But in the Bible you have the general addressing that would sound like is directed at the majority. Then you can flip the page or go to another verse or chapter and read about you in particular.
Every minority in the world at some point have edited John 3:16 to list every manner of people. Point here is Whosoever, is very general and we all know we are in the whosoever. The write assume gays cannot be in the whomsoever list.
Also, we know that homosexuality is a sin and that it is against what God wants people to do. This is evident in the fact that homosexuals cannot reproduce. The one way that we humans get to be like God is by our God-given ability to create, to reproduce. Two men together could never have a baby and two women together could never have a baby because what they are doing is not of God.
The writers says gays cannot reproduce. FACT is most of history gays would get a wife and have kids. History records them as gay men that only had sex to get babies then they spent their love life with their man they loved. This is not wishful thinking but a fact. Gay men wanted babies beside hey your baby neat. but mainly for retirement benefits. Most of history is your kids take care of you in old age.
Today government supplies retirement benefits and many programs to aid in retirement so much more gays are not marrying because retirement is taken care better. My first lover (with him 10 years) had 3 kids his own. many gays today have their own kids so the writer is lying about gays not reproducing. The write also has a need to be like God as in have the power to CREATE, satan is the person that wants to be God, the verses that indicate we are becoming like him will never make us gods with power to do our own creating. It will always be through Jesus Christian Our Lord. Using a "cannot reproduce" means the writer is pretending to be scientific and giving opinions. Got to stick with Bible. Adding in opinions and your conclusions does not make it Bible.
So, again, homosexuality is a sin because the person is willingly choosing to engage in behavior that is against what God would have him or her do.
The writers says the gay person chooses to be gay. 630 million gays today I would like to hear how the writer decided gays are choosing to be gay. All my lie I thought I was going to get married and have kids. All media says get married have kids. Visible all around you is get married have kids. Should you hear about gays you hear , disowned, banned for Heaven pervert, degenerate. vile, hate and hate and more hate toward you , how do you choose to be something that nothing supports and all things would bring pain and suffering to you as the world Christians hate you and peers would beat you up. where is this choice matter coming from? Today is is better and more support for gays and less suffering and some equal rights and legal marriage in sight. The point is if someone were going to chose why would they chose to be gay. However, str8 though everything supports them do not choose to be str8. Everybody when of age their bodies kick in with puberty stuff changing everything fairly quickly. You go from a child to adulthood i a couple years. Law makes becoming a legal adult at an older age. The Body flat out say you it live with it.
So a str8 boy gets horny and so hardly can control his desire for the opposite sex and is quite drive to do bazaar tings to get this fulfilled. As we know usually kids find out that to get what they want you got rules of society to live within or society will hurt you. Generally no problem, been done for ages. But str8 boys now know what str8 is about and go about living it. No choice here just a discovery that pretty much they were prepared for because all of society already filed their brain wit str8 stuff.
Gay boys (girls too) suddenly hit puberty and these these click in and confusion sort of comes in as to why their peers go bonkers over girls. However, hey hmm I really wish that boy over there would be my best friend really not understanding the feeling because nobody said anything about getting the hots for same sex. Life goes on and you figure it out. Point is no choice just discovering who you are.. Homophobes don't get it. You homophobes if you just image how you feel about the opposite site then you can know how gays feel. It is a no brainer it is so simple to understand. Then you can look at the Bible to find gays and you won't find them in the 14 verses you used to condemn gays.
Some people will say, "But I was born this way. Since I was a child I was attracted to members of the same sex." To that I will say no, you were born a sinner and that at a young age your sin started to manifest itself. When I was perhaps six, I can distinctly remember going to a store and stealing from the store. I shoplifted for many years after that as well. Does that mean that I was genetically just a born thief or that my behavior should be accepted because I had had those feelings since my childhood? Of course not. Stealing was a sin I committed. It was not who I was.
The writers says gay is the same as a shoplifter. The writer rejects any science and any known gays in the animal world and much more fact are totally ignored. Gay and str8 desires for sex starts at a very very specific time in life. If you are talking about almost all gays or almost all str8s then you are in the right area, but if you want exceptions that some dramatic turn of events forced someone into doing things they did not know existed even if still pleasurable experience you are dealing with an abnormity and this is not a topic for is gay sin, but a discussion for what happens to kids that learn sex early, not my topic.
The broad number of years from extremes of 8 to 16 for puberty is the specifics to the process of discovering who you are sexually. Shoplifting is random and most all humans did it and do it sometimes. Age has no meaning to shoplifters or the point the writer wanted to make. Across the board puberty causes changes in many ways in a human body. Long been determined by so many research teams on human behavior that there is far more to being gay or str8 than simple statement you chose it or were seduced into it. Common misconception is str8s are seduced. What a laugh, str8 would want to KILL any one that is of the same sex making a pass at them. If you are liking another same sex getting close to you you had better get off your ban wagon and deal with it you are likely gay or bisexual. No str8 will go for same sex.
There just is too much info for a homophobe to use things like gay are not born that way. Somehow they think they can hop into a gay person and see right away they chose it. Personally I am convince that there is so much information and fact around and with a world population of 630 million gays that the general rule 10% are gay is an absolute programmed by God to be in the DNA sequence to guarantee gays i the world. I find DNA documentaries fascination and love watching them and have seen most of them for many decades, and I have read much and I have search out info from many sources that go into the unexplained and more, beside my close relationship with Jesus and his intense pounding of direct source info of many topics to round out what I will tell people.
And even if so-called experts try to tell you that there is some kind of "homosexual gene," remember that these are sinful men telling you sinful tales. Be careful when you start to listen to and believe the men of this world instead of believing what God's Word tells you. This world will tell you that murdering babies is okay. It even gives the act a pleasant term, "pro choice." This world will tell you that alcoholism and drug abuse is okay and that you just "have a disease." This world will even tell you that there is no God and that you came from a monkey. The Bible warns us of such people. Isaiah 5:20 reads "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"
The writers says Christian right or you are of satan. The writers says vote Republican. The writers says do not listen to those that designed the Space shuttle, because it can't fly in space they are lying to you. we did not go to the moon. Bleed ourselves to get the bas stuff out. Animals are cloned, they mapped the DNA sequence and tons more. Hubble telescope lies and the one they will send up the is many time more powerful is a lie. Yes you are right you can only listen to Christians that killed witched many proved very innocent. Vatican often told people that did not obey them they won't go to Heaven. Fact after Fact shows Christians are wrong a lot of the time. You should not bind God into a closet when he is this moment 100 trillion light years away strolling across some planet observing his creation. And you want God in a box. God is more Glorious than you give him credit for. Your Bible verse quote is what it is that you do. you cal good evil for it is a fact gays are the opposite of Romans 1:28-32 and this is not hard to prove but you make gays evil. Str8s murder babies why are you using an example of str8 behavior when talking about gays. Any Christian taking the pill or other means to stop a baby breaks your "God's Law"
The writers says all gays are prochoice and pro drugs and pro alcohol. The world is dirt, people says things. All statics always says up to 60% plus in the USA are Christians whether you accept this or not is your opinion but what it says is in the USA more than 50% are not world. Be careful who you listen to means if it is not a homophobic source it is a satan source.
Your this world comments is about as stupid as a person can get because you are told about the world and broad is the way of destruction. But don't be stupid and think the world is stupid, or that Jesus is not the Creator o it. The governments on on his shoulders even evil rulers makes laws for your protection. You drink pure water because the world made water treatment and gave you electricity and fuel to drive your car. Lots of good and lots of bad both in Christianity and in the world. You can not generalize about either. You can be factual and you can use actual history and actual ancient meaning to words. But to trash God's Creation to being evil is not wise.
George Bush is evil he is a 33rd degree Mason and a skull and Bones man. This means your god is Lucifer who you believe is not fallen and the God is the dark god. Many many Christians are actively supporting outreaches of satan by joining directly or indirectly one world religion groups which I talk about in other topics on my web pages. For antichrist to get in power and actual be able to stand in the temple and declare himself god means Christians not the world put him there because they thought they were right and that he might after al be Jesus. I go into this in more detail in other pages.
God's Word says that God created you and that homosexuality is wrong. God would not have created you as a homosexual and then called homosexuality an abomination. So who are you going to obey? "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).
The writers says abomination. In the Bible there are many forms of this word several in the OT and 2 in the NT. Looking up each of these words in the ancient Hebrew definitions your find every form has the base that cannot be taken out of its meaning. It is that what ever it is that is degusting and hated by God it is actual acts done to the actual ancient gods of the Bible by name.. You cannot arbitrarily make abomination means what you wish it to mean. This means if you say God says gay is an abomination you are saying when gays have sex they are doing in a ritual to a known Bible god(s). It is an abomination because it God is jealous and want your love completely not willing to share your love with other gods. Use the Bible not evolution of words. In one verse in the OT there actually is a form of abomination that actually can means simply disgusted hated thing. This is before Lev 18 and the verse goes like this, food sanctified to other gods is an abomination. Want where the Church is as a Church wide body of believers? We are at the 4th level of disobedience to God and have been for a few decades. Leviticus Chapter 26.
And for those people out there who try to say, "Well, some people are born with male and female body parts" (hermaphrodites), to that I say you cannot use that as justification for you to engage in homosexual activities. Some people were also born as Siamese twins. If a Siamese twin gets married and has sexual relations, the act would have to involve three people being present, both twins and the spouse, but does that mean that God gives His approval to group sex? Of course not! God is going to judge each of us according to who we are, not according to how He created someone else.
The writers says find bazaar examples and take up time going way out in left field from the topic of gays. Just add every abnormal groups to gays and you are right on. Sorry each particular group is a subject to be dealt in its proper setting not pushed into another group so it mixes and confuses the real issues. The writer uses rare individuals and so is showing the complexity of sexual issues. How can a homophobe says it so clear its so simple.
Jesus said in John 14:15, 23-24, "If ye love me, keep my commandments. If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings."
The writers says he can judge someone's love for Jesus by if the word gay is involved that person does not love Jesus.
So I would say that if you truly love Christ, you would want to do what pleases him. And as we have already read, homosexuality does not please the Lord.
The writers says truly loving Jesus is become str8 and have str8 sex. Now what are the FACTS in gay testimony. Well hey guess what I am gay and I am Pentecostal and I have been a Christian since Jan 1974. What church do I belong? Assemblies of God. How long? Since Feb 1974. Been preaching on TV since 1985. Those are service things. Now let look outside my body and my wishy washyness that I believe I love Jesus and he loves me and I have a personal relationship with him for well into my 4th decade. I came to Jesus not on a whim I was an atheist and completely believed there was no god so for me to start believing means something must have happened and I was not miserable and needed a crutch or horrible life coming to an end and at wits end to find a way out. This is not in my testimony. I was unemployed. Not having a job did not mean not having a home. I simply loved truth and was fabulously interested in how things are the way they are and the mysteries amazed me to n end. Much deeper story behind all this, but to keep it short becoming a Christian for me meant something has to be happening that would change my mind from no God to I won't live a day a moment without Jesus at my center. But hey it me I just can say I love Jesus and he loves me and you can just say I am a liar. So I will make it difficult for you. I will force you to call 200 Assemblies of God pastors demon possessed and liars. I will force you to say 1000 s Christians belonging to these pastors was purposely tricked and lied to. Because as I said earlier gay Christians have testimonies. So you have to deal with history that is already done and cannot be edited to your liking.
So, nothing to do with me I go to church ( on travels and various reason been to many Assemblies of God church and many other churches, I had a job that I took people to various denominations and I had to sit with them in both Sunday school and Sunday services. This lasted over 5 years weekly. Well Assemblies of God is Pentecostal. So pastor often get a message from God. You can choose to say the pastor is nuts God does not speak that way. Then your issue is with a huge Church not we little old me. Now at least over a 10 year period 200 pastors told me to come up to the alter. Now this is not your every one that wants prayer come up thing. This is hey usher that guy in that shirt there on aisle 29, bring him up God has a word for him. And so 200 of these episodes I can count. Now I am gay and I am living with my gay lover and often we go to church together.
So pastor begins the operation in the Holy Spirit over me and 100% of the time these pastors say details about God's love for me and my love for him and then go onto prophecies about my future ministry. Well go to gays4jesus.com see if I went into ministry. Over and over, I am called out and over and over publically God tells the whole congregation he loves me and i love him. No hint of any sin (I am a sinner till I die I am not without sins) was brought out and no hint a any troublesome points of my life. Now I have been to Assemblies of God every week at all services and special workshops for over 10 years so I had more than enough time to hear all manner and see all manner of operations in the Holy Spirit and yes people are told sins they have need cleaning up. Demon were cast out and so forth. But never a hint.
also, from day one people tell me they see Jesus in me. I can not go anywhere without some telling me this. Online parents from around the world see my name gays4jesus and chat with me for my Christian advice to bring up their kids. Str8s young folk on dates come to me for help and advice. I do nothing to get them to come tome all they see is my screen name gays4jesus. Everyday from 1 to 20 foreign pastors pop up wanting me to go to their country and preach. Many say they can gather 10,000. Much more than this. for me it is completely common to think wherever I go someone will tell me they see God in me or they see Jesus in me.
I literally hear Jesus tell me he loves me and some pretty neat stuff that is hard to accept because I don't think that much of myself and it is not comprehensible to understand how someone can love you that much. This means the writer has to explain WHY that when I am amongst Christians like is a church or anyplace they discover I am Christian or even if not they begin to comment about they see Jesus in me.
Then there is answered prayers. Sometimes I get very detailed and I am surprised how quickly and how much like what I prayed was the answer to that prayer. Rented a car once wanted a PT Cruiser while driving there to rent a car I said God in the name of Jesus give us a PT Cruiser. Disappointment no PT on the lot, about to sign the papers for another car and drive away and wa la what comes down the road and turns into the rental lot? I actually saw that car coming down the street so I said God you are going to give the PT to me aren't you? And sure enough five more minute we were driving a PT Cruiser home. trivial but so common.
I can go into such detail of my personal relationship with Jesus and you cannot do anything about it it. Homophobes hate gay testimony because this would quickly begin to destroy what lies they have been saying about gays.
And 1 John 2:4 reads, "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." And 1 John 1:5-6 reads, "God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth."
The writers says in spite of all the absolute faith walk testimonies and dedicated life gays have for Jesus that they lie. It does not matter what the real life facts are to a homophobe. To them a gay person can be nothing more that scum. Often people with really horribly evil lives are shown 1000% more respect. Prison ministries abound and I sat in on some as a learning experience curve on different ministries outreaches. Enough so that homophobe will give men proven by courts of law to be severely evil more respect than a gay person saving lives in the health care field daily.
Works follow the gay person whether a Christian or not. Good deeds in the norm for gays in their daily lives. History show all cultures have high regard in some aspect for gays whether openly accepted or not in present culture. History is your judge and it tells you gays are actually a special embassy of good for all peoples. Being gay teaching gays how to love all people and how to be a peace maker and more. It has been shown if gays work ordered to not work and it could actual happen then the health care field would collapse. Gays are far from the darkness and they are well seated in the light of Jesus Christ. Other research will turn up gays are "Gatekeepers" this is a calling like they are born with and does not need a religion to have it work. People have gifts and talents in all walks of life and spiritually speaking there are gifts as well. This means if you are born a gatekeeper then in your area of life you will keep the gate, meaning an embassy from God to man. I am not freaking out here I am presenting historical fact and current day actuality. Different culture have their gatekeepers. Gatekeeper is not a faith in a god but and born gift. As like all unbelievers no matter how good you are you will go to hell if you die without having the price of your sins paid for. You can not pay that price, it is to steep. Jesus paid it and so is the only door to Heaven. So no matter who you are or what gifts you have or how many good deeds you did in the world you don't go to heaven where as the worst of the worst having done no good and accept Jesus then die and will be in Heaven. It is just a facts that is how it is. But now having said that should this historical record concerning "gatekeepers be true ( the story is people want to serve God as gatekeeper and so still in Heaven as many Christian believe people are sent in the babies and born. The Bible says we are an eternal spirit. This adds a monkey wrench in some ways people preach. But as the story goes, I do not say I believe it but it hold significant weight in the record, that pre-birth you can ask God about what you will do on Earth to some degree or asked God you want to become born human. If you ask to be a Gatekeeper the results is nearly all gatekeeper will be gay because part of being a gatekeeper is this result. Bazaar but as i said there is more info available to you than your mouth stating gay is sin it so clear its so simple.
I don't write these things to judge anyone. But as a Christian, I believe what God's Word tells me. And I care enough about each of you to share with you God's truth.
The writers says is saying he is judging gays. and God did not tell him gay is sin, he got conditioned by a 700 year old false doctrine against gays. And you care nothing about gays because you will not take one second of your life to study for there is unspeakable amount of available information that is extremely factual. There are 10s of 1000s of ancient Jesus' day documents and literature that can prove beyond doubt a "born eunuch" is a gay person as we generally know gay person today. Jesus said that Christians won't accept what he says about these and though Jesus would really want you to accept his teachings on it you refuse to and you are calling Jesus a liar if you say you know what he is saying after Jesus said most won't and what you say fit the most are saying.. Today it hard to find a Christian that would time a moment to study what their mouths say.
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