Seen on DayStar Way of the Master
This is a reply to a Daystar Program
"Way of the Master"
NOTE: To this day after several reminders "Way of the Masters" has not sent me a promised DVD on a TV program they did on gays.
I am sorry you must have miss understood me; I was expecting something from someone that had knowledge on the Bible and would be able to explain the Hebrew & Greek meanings of words. What I see from you is quoting the various verses. I will give you some background on me so you will not treat me like a baby in Christ and some sort of ignorant person concerning God’s Word.
I Was Born Again Jan. 27, 1974 at 9:45PM at a TBN type
prophecy rally. This was not magic and it involved Jesus
coming to me while I was yet an Atheist and Jesus
spent 24/7 with me for 3 years telling me all about himself.
He was very close and behaved his Jesus’ LOVE to me that
whole time. One day I heard a preacher on the radio far out
away from any city, you know the weird only can receive
Christian preacher station type thing. This guy ranted and
raved about his relationship with Jesus and how he
communicated and how Jesus talked to him. I could not
believe what I was hearing. He was having the same personal
experience I was having but he was calling this person Jesus
Christ Son of God. Now my rule to Jesus those past 3 yrs.
was I am an atheist and beyond a shadow of a doubt there is
no God. So Jesus honored this, but talked to me as a
extremely close friend that could be 100% trusted and he
displayed his compassion and love for me never leaving me
not even for one second. This day my mind was going crazy as
something this guy was saying could not be explained away
for I had that same experience. Finally I looked up as I was
driving down the freeway and said I don’t believe in
you but I love truth and seek truth and have all my life and
had learned much, but now I am confronted with this guy on
the radio I cannot deny. SO I will stupidly dumbly but
truthfully ask you this. If you are the TRUTH I will accept
you. Well that was a stupid question for it guaranteed
I would accept Jesus. Thirty days later I was at a prophecy
rally because I had come to accept there are things out
there that work and that something is more than our five
senses. I was quite the reader and knew tons about all
manner of ancient history and had had personal experience
working beyond normal senses all the while maintaining there
is not God of any kind all things were science based and
will one day be proven so I was self-educated in these
lines. So when the preacher asked if any wanted prayer I
certainly could use any good thing and believed ignorantly
all these Christian joined in agreement would or could in
fact produce healing miracles etc., but then he said come up
front. My mistake was to sit exactly in the center front row
so I could evaluate miracles as they happened. So 2 steps
would put me at the alter. I was serious about needing as it
were prayer so I thought why not. I did not expect the as it
were trickery that pastor had in mind for he said to us
(about 100 came down) to pray after him. ZAPPED the sinner’s
prayer which I have never heard in all my life. So in less
than five minute prayer I heard the why Jesus came and the
why he died and the how to get forgiven and all sin etc.
Something happened I believed it and meant that prayer more
than I meant anything in my life. I saw white only with my
eyes closed that preacher was to the left of the stage where
his podium he walked over to directly in front of me. Since
the stage was about 4 feet high he seemed directly over my
head. Of course getting to the part saying forgive me my
sins, I thought my lover right behind still sitting in the
front row and how much I loved him, that simply doing as the
Church may wish or flat out saying I will reject this person
and leave him and be str8 or something, because that sure
would not be way to end love, so I added to the prayer in
that spot that if gay were sin and I mean what I say
that I now accept and believe in you would stop the
relationship, but your are truth so I ask you show me the
TRUTH about gay being sin or not. Str8 never has to consider
this so this is an added insert force on gays when they
accept Jesus. Well the repeating the sinner’s prayer
done he said open your eyes. I was amazed the preacher was
not there he never left his left stage podium. The led us
away to the back there was a white cloud like glory of the
Lord we were all in. Counselors helps up know what happened
and gave us material to start reading. I got home read the
book of John they gave me. I was in tears nonstop. When done
I want more so I prayed my first prayer for a Bible. I knew
only K-Mart had a book area so I said to God I have $4.58 to
my name and no work so have K-mart have a Bible that I can
buy. Next day went there they indeed had a red letter KJV
Bible for including tax $4.57 and that was my first miracle.
My lover was a back slidden Assemblies of God and gladly
took me to one nearby. Long story short now 31 ones year in
Assemblies of God. I begin my salvation by nearly living in
Christian books stores. In 1974 positive material about gay
were nearly non-existent. So I read everything homophobes
had since that was all that existed. Pretty much many
things were easy because almost everything were lies about
gays. A Christian homophobe hardly knows about gay life or
gay history. I had known I was gay when I was 13, had no
real way of knowing what that was because not a clue of it
existed where I lived. But nevertheless that is another
story gays growing up discovering who they are. I am also
very much an expert of youth that discover they are gay. I
guarantee you no homophobe (homophobe used by me means a
Christian that thinks gay is sin but won’t study to back up
their mouths) I loved dancing my first lover was also my
first time with someone (we were together 10 yrs.) went
dancing every weekend at gay dance bars. After I accepted
Jesus we went to MCC the largest gay Christian church. I
also know details about the foundation of the first ex-gay
ministry that all ex-gay ministries are generally connected
to today. Again another story for details. So I became
an expert of all the verses used against gays because having
no source for info except homophobic, I did my own personal
studying. I know the details of how and why the gay is sin
doctrine begin (700 years ago). I know the follow-ups of
ex-gays to many decades after so called deliverance.(no such
thing as ex-gay) I know the college professors and what is
taught concerning gays by all the various Bible training
schools. I also spent a solid 7 years in the MCCs while also
going to the Assemblies of God. I had a job where for 5
years I took groups of people regularly to all denominations
of Sunday school and services and so had quality time
hearing their messages. I have had correspondence with all
the main TBN type ministers. God led me to turn on TBN at
the exact time about 3 times in time to hear them begin to
talk about me and my weekly TV programs. The most credible
scholars in Hebrew and Hebrew custom refused to tell me what
he learned about the verses concerning the antigay issue. He
instead told me to go to Kenneth Copeland who indeed wrote
back only using the typical anti-gay verses quoting them for
proof, not explaining. Pastors that did not know I am
gay told me often they see God in me and m any confided to
me when they were in despair about their church issues as
someone they could trust to me of one spirit in the Lord
with him. Over 200 Assemblies of God pastors called me up
front saying God want them to give word to me in Prophecy
and word of Knowledge. Of course all 100% positive and
accurate and publicly to their congregations. Only when I
moved to Seattle a later went on TV to talk about what I
know did pastor condemn me. 100% of those pastors were very
disgusting in their words to me. One sent boys to call me on
the phone just to talk, I got them to tell me what AOG
pastor sent them. Several pastors did very evil things I
won’t go into. One pastor was nearly ready to hit me
violently because I was talking to people during an special
visit by an ex-gay ministry. While he was turning red as a
beat the leader of the ex-gays was repeating what I think of
anal intercourse. This was very scary to me, I never seen
this and I never had such a confrontation. My mouth turn dry
I was fearful and besides being very shy I could not talk so
I was just being jumped on. So I remembered I had said to
myself and Jesus that when and if in some sort of impossible
to deal with issue I would just pray in tongues. Suddenly as
I raised my arms both of them were drawn into my arm as if
they floated into them by some outside force. I rapped my
arms around them in love and began to pray in tongues over
them. Soon the founder of the ex-gays disappeared and no
longer able to be involved and the pastor had a moment of
resistance so I poured out love and more tongues suddenly I
felt a release in him and his angered disappeared. And
suddenly he turn sweet and began to offer respect and
invited me back for evening service to record the ex-gays as
they gave testimony and what was preached knowing I was
going to talk about this on my TV program. God also give me
visions in dream almost non-stop. I while awake I can see in
the night the Holy Spirit. Over 2 decades I see changes.
First he was far out in space mixed in with the stars
filling every space no empty space at all. Always in motion.
Years go by; he is now filled to the orbit of earth still
moving flowing like waves of the sea. More time goes by he
now is much lover in the sky 1000 feet up. Later I see him
much lover 100 feet. Then in bed at night he is ceiling
level, Now he is 4 feet off the floor. Much more details.
Some video as it were. Very very very busy motion, very
active, flowing like seaweed in the sea. I can say Holy
Spirit I invite you into me in Jesus name and he will flow
into me. I see this. It is like sci-fi special effects sort
of when they show some beam or ray of cloudish flow pour
into someone’s head (forehead just above the eyes) I can see
at time video images very fast can’t see well enough pouring
into me. The he draws back when I suppose it is enough for
the moment. I can feel it enter. I have not yet figure out
what he doing I think it is preparing me for later since
that is what my whole life has been. Ever since I can
remember I have dramatic dreams in such detail and of such
things I cannot have ever seen or known. After becoming
Christian often Dream will be with Jesus talking to me,
sometime it is God. I saw the USA in war torn shambles in
some areas and other state of the art modern business
centers. I have talked to anti-christ many times in dreams.
Dreams always put me with some sort of way to be able to see
or talk to these people even when they know who I am and I
am their enemy. I saw the TWO Witnesses Killed (machine gun
from a very small airplane) Elijah (Jacob)[but real name I
will not reveal now] was able to drag himself to a table
where antichrist was sitting and say it is finished. Maybe I
am crazy, but one thing is certain I do know about gays and
the Bible and I was hoping for you to explain why you think
a verse is talking about gays. If I were very stupid and
dumb then maybe you could get away with quoting a verse.
Below you started at verse 24 WHY? The story starts from verse 18 where it details the THEY people summarized as str8 adults that turned from GOD to gods. Vs 24-25 is saying God let them doing what they wanted to do. So what happened here??????? They turned from GOD to gods, what kind of gods, the Bible over and over tells you the various god Israelite turn to and most are fertility gods. Never in vs 18-23 does it give you any reason to say str8 adults who use to know God got interested if same sex sex so God let them do it. So I did not tell you to quote a verse I was expecting if you use verse(s) that you would show me that an organization that is preaching on big time TV network like Daystar became would know something about Bible history and the Apostles and PAUL. It is very well know that Paul just before going to Rome and writing Romans toured a temple. You know like recently I toured Notre Dame in Paris. I tour video and shot a TV program there. I am not Catholic and in fact believe the Vatican is about as evil as any group can get. But Paul did go to a famous fertility temple and saw the row of statues one being the statues to the unknown god where he used in his writings later. In that temple were known to be over 1000 temple prostitutes and ritual sexual orgy rooms. Verse 26-27 is an exacting description of this kind of, sex to the gods, type rituals. Now the Greek goes further, the 2 words natural and natural means seed and instinct for it foundation. In the sentence (grammar) the THEY people had to be straight first and had to have enjoyed this type sex to be able to use these words nature and natural. Easy way to understand is an apple seed will not produce oranges when able to produce fruit. The seed will grow like any tree, then comes time to blossom the flowers are very much flowers but the fruit is an apple not an orange. When you are born you are gay or str8, but this cannot be seen of felt. You just grow like everyone else. But when you reach puberty you starting wanting to love someone. This is when all you were brought up to be cannot make you be as trained. Your instincts cut in and makes you be str8 or gay. This is the Grammar and the Greek of the verse. 630 million gays and you won’t find any that enjoyed str8 sex then turned from God when they got to be adults so God turned them gay. Because that is what you are saying when you use Romans. Then you seem easy and comfortable making sure you added 28-31. This is also a very descriptive set of verses and easy to compare. Again 630 million gays so easy again to prove your wishes. Are gays with reprobate mind? Do they behave in all those sins listed and this without much control because god made it this way as punishment. Well real life gays from the beginning of time have quite a different factual real life that 28-31. They are quite the opposite. Employers say gays are the best workers, Pastors say they see God in them when they do not know they are gay, families see them as holding the families together and making it run smoothly as pillars during time of crisis. Health care system would fail if Gay quit cold turkey. On and on this goes. So tell me why do you flat out use 28-31 when it does not depict real gays. But those str8 that turned from God to god did have behavior changes and often hated true believers all the more having go over to fertility gods. Then you use 1 Cor. 6:9 the 2 words are sodomite and catamite this means they are expensive call boys and male temple prostitutes. This is not guess work but fact. You can study sodomite in Jesus day and in Moses day, you can go to fertility temple and read their records. I will get in to Bible version in a moment. 6:9 has been interpreted many ways and in 1850 at a USA clergy convention it was changed to be taught gays would not inherit because prior to this it was taught masturbators would not inherit and they unanimously agreed everyone did it so heaven would be empty, much details on this. You created a sin list. Well the Greek is specific in it listed and you sure added a few, the closest in Jude you can get is male prostitute without giving you an orientation and both gay and str8 male prostitutes were there but the str8 male prostitute was more common. You did use Jude which refer to as Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: (KJV) Here is again a very detail description of events.
Every boy every grandpa every man and ALL the PEOPLE came to what? wickedly = 7489 ra` a` (raw-ah'); a primitive root; properly, to spoil (literally, by breaking to pieces); figuratively, to make (or be) good for nothing, i.e. bad (physically, socially or morally): KJV-- afflict, associate selves [by mistake for 7462],
This was not consensual sex, the angels just were not willing to participate in a wild fun orgy. This was rape to murder and not a gay behavior. I did tell you what gay behavior was and yet you come back to me saying gay behavior is male temple prostitution in fertility temple, regular prostitution (rather high class position) gang rape with murdering the victim as goals, you say gay is str8s that turned from God to gods. So instead of getting a well explained answer you gave me wishes and guesses. You gave me conditioning and customers of homophobes. You gave me lies about gays, you gave me unrelated verses so you could emphasize the sin would get you hell. You implied gays could change as though you know something about the ex-gay movement. Is this what you are going to teach come December 31st or whatever the date is that you are going to talk about gays? Now about Bibles. Do you have a clues where Bible comes from???????? This is very important you know. Have you studied Westcott and Hort of the 1880s? You have no clue at all that all modern translation are satan counterfeit Bibles. There is a great deal of info on this and preaching to the world you should have as a priority to be prepared to correct yourself midstream when you learn you have been deceived by satan again, he is good at that and you should not h old it to heart just adjust to truth not keep with the LIE. Modern translations have 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions by design not accident. It is to subtly take Christ out of Jesus, this works by conditioning the physical mind to ever so slight errors that after reading and reading you are significantly conditioned to accept that Man over there is Jesus after all. There are 2 sets of original manuscripts both got translated to Latin Vulgate in the 2nd century. One manuscript set was a hand written copy of the originals that no longer exists. The other was satan getting his people (masons) to put together a corrupt version. Satan is not a fly by night manager of whatever group that comes along. He has had the same group for the past 5000 yrs. I call them Masons for short combined form of whatever names they used over time. The good copy is called the REC’D TEXT. The corrupt set was hidden with no hurry to use it. Mason are patient and know centuries will go by overall before some things they do will go into effect. 15th century comes along the Vatican was ordered to use that corrupt text as official catholic Bible Up to then various translations of the REC’D Text were used finally 1611 King James version of the REC’D Text comes into play and all other REC’D Text Bible fade from common use. Along come the 1800s and Westcott and Hort known occultists who hate true believers and science in college brought a new era of students that thought science proved KJV wrong and also were more against true Believers types of fashion camp meeting Christians. Perfect, these two were very influential and one was on the board to revise the Bible to modern English, they did this by translating the corrupt version back to Greek (their style of Greek) then back into English, with sneakery and deceitfulness they got their entire translation to become the Church of England’s official Bible where all modern translations comes from. These two also created a secret club (Ghost club) in this club anyone wanting to be or is in the higher levels of designing of antichrist’s kingdom would be required to have membership. This was such a perfect plan so that the major onslaught of modern version could occur with the timing of Israel becoming a nation. What is the chance that if you have read what I am saying that you would take time to learn about this. After all probably not important to teach viewers that any version will do just find one that say it in a way that fits and message you are going to preach on. I started with the KJV but after reading it many time did begin to read a lot of the modern versions. My ministry calls for many many many shocks and sometime very often as I run into the work of satan in the literal events and preparation in our day. One day upon racking my brain for key words to search for hidden manna that will produce info on what really is happening under our noses, suddenly zap page after page after page of info about Westcott and Hort. Are you going to be part of the deception and let truth slip by? Today’s Church is so blinded and I know you also will not listen. It really is heart breaking when standing by a FEMA camp that has a huge building that can roll in 6 railcars at a time that have shackled human inside to gas then roll out to be burned elsewhere after gassing. I been there seen it and seen the railcars, I know it is a joke about these camps, so who care if I have walked around some of them. They are really not there after all we Americans will not be gassed just because we love Jesus. I liked many of your TV programs, but I just wish that just some of you will take time to find out about what is about to happen. You so love Bush, I cannot comprehend how any Christian can be so blind about BUSH. Even documentaries with top news anchors going through step by step initiation of Skull and Bones are not credible enough for you. Beside the incredible details of the belief structure of these Masons. Bush the son Bush the dad Bush the grand dad besides Bush the uncle all Skull and Bones. This means they believe Lucifer did not fall. Look at it Christians want him to be President. We hear both candidates were Skull and bones. The results would be a barometer on the state of American attitudes towards accepting goals toward one world gov’t (antichrist’s kingdom) Had Kerry won the NOW elite would know that American are not ready now to push for vigorous goals to aggressively imitate steps to one world, but Bush won so they now know Americans are giving support to stepping up the dates to bring the world into a one world order with a one world dictator. But this stuff is happening under your noses and listen to main stream Christianity. They love the many 33rd degree Mason that are household name ministers. Are you so caught up in your ways that anyone telling you anything that makes waves is the enemy? The Men of Wisdom that God kept hidden will be sent out very soon. These people could not get out publicly no matter how they wanted to; God kept them hidden almost like in jail reserved being trained for this day. The Bible calls them the Men of Wisdom. I have been calling them a new breed of prophets, until I learned that God speaks of them in the Bible. Listen to them. Huge numbers of Christians will turn their backs on Jesus. Christian will not like what they say. But they are sent from God, and they are pretty frustrated group and may not be so nice and not so explaining of details, they might just command something to happen. I can see this as though it is a video in front of my eyes. They also will be very much speaking what God has shown them and said to them over their years separated from others as though forced to live even as not to appear Christian or could fellowship with Christians. God keeps saying time is up; his cup is full to the brim now he will move. Ezek. 34:1-31
1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
This time has come, soon you will see pastor getting very much shakened, it will be NEWS and become a byword mocking Christians will be common place because men of wisdom and other will rebuke pastors and with authority like the Church has never seen. I am not sure because doubt has creep on me about very early from God words to me were, TBN will give time for these men of wisdom to speak almost as like with no choice and resentment. However, when God showed me this 25 yrs. ago or so, it was fresh and real, time made me wonder, but maybe we are nearing the time when you will get to see one of these new styles prophets speak on TBN or Daystar. They will not as it were give a sermon or preach some message that will help with daily living or anything like you have heard, they will speak with authority and power with results not desired by most Christians at first and maybe for some time till they begin to see it is indeed God rebuking and correcting.
Sorry did not mean to write a book. Just had to write this… I doubt you will read such a long writing and I don’t expect you to give it any attention, what I expect you to do is continue as you are rejecting what I say. This too is ok by me, since I am not obligated to change what you think, but just to tell you what I know from God……
Van Mersbergen [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:30 PM
Subject: Fw: what do you think about gays
Dear John Hi, thanks for writing. My name is Chris and I am
a member of Ray’s & Kirk's ministry team. Ray and Kirk do
receive and answer emails; but they can't respond to all of
them. They have entrusted me to do so. Thank you for your
patience and understanding in this matter. Please be aware
that these are my comments and not necessarily theirs,
though I am very familiar with their biblical position and
stance concerning this ministry.
You wrote: what we think about homosexuals
There are many verses in the Bible that shows being a homosexual is an abomination to God. Here is just one of the verses.
God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their
hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who
exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and
served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed
26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[3 ] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[4 ] unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them
We are all sinners and we'll have to face God on the Day of Judgment. Here is an article written by Ray. I pray that it will help you.
"God made me to be a homosexual, so He doesn’t want me to change."
The Bible always speaks of homosexuality as being a sin leading to eternal condemnation. "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9-10, NKJV)
Homosexuals argue that they did not make a conscious decision to be that way, so it must be natural. They are born that way—just as all of us are born with a sin nature and sinful desires (Ephesians 2:1– ). Tell them that it is natural for them, and for all of us, to be tempted to do things that God says are wrong. In the same way, pedophiles and adulterers (alcoholics, drug addicts, etc.) don’t make a conscious decision to "choose" that self-destructive lifestyle, they simply give in to their sinful desires. However, although sin is natural for unbelievers, that doesn’t mean God wants them to remain that way. God can set them free from their sinful nature (Romans 7:23–8:2), give them new desires (Ephesians 4:22–24), and help them withstand temptations (1 Corinthians 10:13).
Sinners will not enter the kingdom of God: Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin? (Proverbs 20:9) . For there is not a just man on earth who does good and does not sin (Ecclesiastes 7:20). If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us(1 John 1:8). For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).
Homosexuals are deceived if they think they find in Scripture that their lifestyle is okay with God, and that they cannot change. This list of sins (which encompass most, if not all, of the Ten Commandments makes it clear who will not be included in the kingdom of God. However, Paul says to those who are now believers, and such were some of you (v.11) No matter what their sins, God can wash sinners clean and make them righteous in His sight.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodoma and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
I pray that this has helped you in understanding about God and homosexuals.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:04 PM
Subject: what do you think about gays
Hi just watched your TV program on Daystar.
I was born again January 27th 1974 at 9:45 PM right away got the Baptism in the Holy Spirit from Jesus (note: my born again experience was dramatic and full of the presence of the Lord really zapped to make a long story short). First miracle 2 days later had only $4.58 told Jesus I knew nothing about where to get a Bible so I was going to K-Mart let there be one there. K-Mart Had a KJV for $4.57
Because I was gay and I knew already a huge amount of info concerning gays in all the world and history and I knew generally Christians considered gay sin without question, while praying the sinner’s prayer I included because my lover whom I loved as dearly as any str8 married couple could image for their marriage, laid my relationship unconditionally on the altar “if gay were really sin”. So I asked God to show me the truth ( my reason for accepting Jesus is a long story but basics was I finally said to God if he were truth I would accept him. 30 days after that I was praying the sinner’s prayer.
I was very hungry for the WORD as would be indicated in first paragraph. And I was very very interested in finding out about the verses people used to say gay was sin. So I not having much money practically lived in Christian book stores during the 70s and early 80s reading everything anyone said about gays and all the study helps on Bible word meaning including ancient and Greek.
I pretty much became an expert on this topic including the ex-gay ministry movement in detail. The in March of 1986 I began preaching on TV as a result of a woman preaching on public access using lesbians as examples of sin on a topic she was using not related to gays at all. I prayed and search how to go on TV and 6 weeks later my first program aired on TV. I have been on in 3 states.
Now to my question. I am sorry but I will assume you also think gay is sin I could be wrong, I hope so.
My main interests in WHY no matter the education level in the Bible and what degrees are held by Pastors and other ministers that they just will not explain why they think gay is sin? I have personally in some way talked with at least 700,000 people that think gay is sin.
Little background here so you will know where I am coming from. I have 31 years background in the Assemblies of God where if they do not know I am gay they tell me they see God in me and (200 AG pastors prophesied extremely good things from God to me specifically) then when I went on TV and pastors see me they essentially hate me and or make a point condemning me and gays and even going out of their ways to explicitly to evil just because I am gay. Others people will come running at me heh heh sort of scary at first yelling excited its him its him the guy on TV and turn out to be very happy to see me in person like I am some sort of celebrity.
Can you since you came up the latter and are on a major Christian TV station(s) and I am again assuming you been to some sort of Bible college tell me some FACTS about what you have been taught from college and life about gays.
There are 13 verses that have some sort of direct indication that male to male sex of some sort is occurring. Any and all other verses that are used by these people and probably you are general sin verses or topics independent issues not related at all except maybe it sounds good to say because it is positive about straights.
So Please I am asking you to tell me even begging if you will that you would explain to me how any verse is saying gay is sin. I hope you remember I know this topic very well, so I am not asking for statements that I have rec’d from these 700,000 plus and have yet to hear even one person that thinks gay is sin explain themselves.
Example of what I am interested in finding out is how do you explain that a sodomite is a citizen of Sodom using the Bible.
Sodomite is found in 7 places in the Bible and is the foundation for homophobes condemning gays:
6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.
What is interesting about this word is in the last decade or 2 the meaning has been modified from its original ancient meaning. Through the 70s and 80s you could not find anything except the above. However, as in modern version Bibles (all rooted in Westcott and Hort) so are these dictionaries that have come out using modern dictionaries as source material for definitions. Studies about these Sodomites (male temple prostitutes) abound so why is it so hard for Pastors to learn about them.
My hardest verse was Lev. 18 and 20 which really are like one reference, but this verse fell to the ax of truth as original Hebrew and its grammar says this man is a practicing str8 men that actually was going to a male temple prostitutes at local fertility temples along the way while God was leading them to the promise land.
I expect this email will be tossed or not read and I hardly expect you forward this to Ray Comfort who I saw on TV. But who knows maybe you will reply with the explanations why you (again assuming) and all those that say gay is sin arrive at how they got gay people out of the verses.
Gays are not gang rapist or male temple prostitutes, God did make Adam and Steve was in the DNA of the rib which in Hebrew means CELL from that RIB. Gays are not expensive call boys, they are not str8 adults that turned from God to gods so.
Statements from Pastors and Bible experts and their flocks or anyone thinking gay is sin go like this:
It’s in the bible
God hates it
God loves the homosexual but hates their sin
Giving a book name a chapter and a verse expecting the gay person to read it and be suddenly convince yes gay is sin
Quoting a verse as though they proved gay was sin
Jumping around never explaining a verse when they are questioned about and throwing in another verse
Using non-related verses like wages of sin is death assuming gay is sin so therefore how evil it is
Using the garden Adam and Eve not concerned with the Garden story about their off springs had sex and babies together and the rule do not leave mother and father except to marry. The Bible is a big book and covers many topics and phases of rules.
It’s simple plain as day, black and white easy to understand yet they cannot explain it at all though it is so simple
God destroyed Sodom because it was full of homosexuals (Every boy every grandpa every man and ALL the PEOPLE came to utterly break in pieces the 2 angels)
I would like to know why pastors and people cannot explain why they think gay is sin
What is a str8 person: Boy meets Girl, they date, they fall in love then they marry
What is a gay person: Boy meets Boy, they date, they fall in love then they marry
Rape abuse prostitution adultery orgies is not ways to define gays but ways to define sexual immorality of humans
Marriage evolves as time moves on God married people originally and he has never stopped this. Laws Bible laws man’s laws changed dramatically over the 1000s of years.
Sex before marriage and sex not married evolved in the Bible and in man’s acceptance. You could have hundreds of wives and concubines, sister’s competed for the common husband, and wives sent their slave to the husbands all while God is mute on it. 12th century fertility gods’ principle were adopted into the Christian church as Christian because so many pagan came to Christ it that time frame. Today as you marry someone if you do marriages you are the fertility priest intermediating the newlyweds to the gods or goddesses of their temples. The receptions after are direct and indirectly from pagan rituals after the couple have married. But today we say it is direct from God. God allows man’s customs to evolve what he does not allow is turning evolving customs into doctrines against people.
The Bible has 2 concrete Hebrew marriage contracts of gays possible 3. One verse defines a gay couple in bed one saved the other not, in Jesus day it was not possible for 2 str8 men to be in the same way as this verse states.
Jesus spoke with his mouth a phrase that is 100% provable to mean gays as we know gays based on 10s of 1000s of documents of his day
Verses say God will give shepherds to gays just before the Last Days and restore them to dignity
Prophecy states pastors are in dire jeopardy because they in the last days are not preparing their flocks and warning them of what is about to happen to them and that they have disowned the gay member of the Body of Christ which will bring grave consequences to pastors
At least five positives verses are in the Bible and many indirect positive verses about gays. A great movement of God is happening in front of your nose, God is preparing a people that will help restore you when you fall, nearly 2/3 of today’s Christians will turn their backs on Jesus and God has an army ready to restore many of them back to faith.
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